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Started playing precision with a partner, and we've had this issue:
1C* - 1D*
2S - ?
We agreed that an immediate jump to 4S should be 4 card support and absolutely no controls, 3S should be a good raise in context of the 1D negative. What do we do with 3 card support and a bust?
Before in standard, we'd open a strong 2C, and responder would show a double negative at some point. Is there a standard precision treatment for this, or otherwise a good agreement?
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Posted 2007-September-06, 13:38
Some (many?) precision systems include an opener's rebid of 1♥ as "Kokish" - artificial showing a stronger hand. If you play this, then
1♣-1♦ (0-7):
1♥ art 20+ points
1♠ natural 16-19
1NT natural 16-19
2m natural 16-19
2♥ natural 16-19
higher suit bids - limited to 16-19, but more distributional and strongly invitational
This way the natural bids are limited and can be passed, raised invitationally, or a new suit offered with a decent responding hand. There are some issues with this (like the uncomfortably high 2♥ bid with only 5 hearts), but it does let you play a second negative:
1♣-1♦-1♥:
1♠ 2nd negative 0-4 (after which 2♣ is again artificial and forcing 23+, other bids are limited to 20-22)
other responses besides the 2nd negative show an invitational 5-7 range, either natural or 5 suit transfers to taste.
1♣-1♦ (0-7):
1♥ art 20+ points
1♠ natural 16-19
1NT natural 16-19
2m natural 16-19
2♥ natural 16-19
higher suit bids - limited to 16-19, but more distributional and strongly invitational
This way the natural bids are limited and can be passed, raised invitationally, or a new suit offered with a decent responding hand. There are some issues with this (like the uncomfortably high 2♥ bid with only 5 hearts), but it does let you play a second negative:
1♣-1♦-1♥:
1♠ 2nd negative 0-4 (after which 2♣ is again artificial and forcing 23+, other bids are limited to 20-22)
other responses besides the 2nd negative show an invitational 5-7 range, either natural or 5 suit transfers to taste.
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Posted 2007-September-06, 13:54
goobers, on Sep 6 2007, 01:18 PM, said:
What do we do with 3 card support and a bust?
Assuming 2 spades promises 5, you can use 3NT for 3 card support and a bust. Not like you'll be using that bid for anything else.
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Posted 2007-September-06, 16:28
goobers, on Sep 6 2007, 01:18 PM, said:
Started playing precision with a partner, and we've had this issue:
1C* - 1D*
2S - ?
We agreed that an immediate jump to 4S should be 4 card support and absolutely no controls, 3S should be a good raise in context of the 1D negative. What do we do with 3 card support and a bust?
Before in standard, we'd open a strong 2C, and responder would show a double negative at some point. Is there a standard precision treatment for this, or otherwise a good agreement?
1C* - 1D*
2S - ?
We agreed that an immediate jump to 4S should be 4 card support and absolutely no controls, 3S should be a good raise in context of the 1D negative. What do we do with 3 card support and a bust?
Before in standard, we'd open a strong 2C, and responder would show a double negative at some point. Is there a standard precision treatment for this, or otherwise a good agreement?
This auction is the same as : 2C-2D-2S in standard. Many play 3C as a double negative here. Others play 2N as the double negative (as it was played over Strong 2's originally). Others do not have a double negative, but will improvise a 2N bid and then support spades later. For the record, I am in the 3'rd camp....
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