[jillybean]

Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ A85 ♥ T52 ♦ KT ♣ AKQ94

West North East South

 2♥    Pass  Pass  ?  

Vulnerablity correct to EW


Your bid please, and what is your thinking.

ty

[the hog]

I really don't see much option other than 3C. I don't like the double with 3 small hearts and only 3S.

[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 2♥    Pass  Pass  3♣
 Pass  4♣    Pass  Pass
 Pass  

These overcalls are not going well, unlucky again.

[awm]

I don't think 4♣ is a very good bid here. Pass from north is reasonable; if choosing to bid I think north should try 3NT rather than angling for an 11-trick minor suit game with balanced shape and so many slow cards.

[the hog]

Ok. I'd pass the Nth hand - too many quacks. Might be the wrong decision. I guess you got caught in a cross ruff and pd was upset? Stiff, it happens.

[jillybean]

Yep, I didnt like the 4♣ bid, some expect more for a 3♣ bid.

[han]

Agree with 3C, don't agree with 4C.

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Sep 9 2007, 09:57 PM, said:

Yep, I didnt like the 4♣ bid, some expect more for a 3♣ bid.

You are certainly not min. for the call.
Given that partner had no chance to bid,
you could even be weaker.

And as it is, 3NT makes.

With your partners hand I would pass,
4C bypasses 3NT, which is never a good
idea.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

3♣ is pretty clear. 4♣ is plain aweful!

(3NT makes, but quite impossible to bid imo)

[Codo]

I join the chorus: 3 ♣ is wtp.
4 ♣ is no good idea. I don´t know what your borders are for a 3 ♣ bid.
But the choices are3 NT or pass. 4 club is a nono bid.
I think I had choosen 3 NT and reached a very bad game which luckily makes.

[whereagles]

jillybean2, on Sep 10 2007, 02:57 AM, said:

some expect more for a 3♣ bid.

MORE?

If you allow me some James Bond pun, "The world is not enough?"

[skjaeran]

There's two possible bids by south in the balancing position; the mainstream 3♣ or an agressive 2NT. 2NT is in fact not as agressive as it seems at first glance. Partner will often provide a stopper - or the suit might be blocked. I prefer 3♣ but won't argue with anyone preferring 2NT.

Over 3♣ north should either pass with a balanced eight count with quacks or try an agressive 3NT. I'd expect pass to be odds on, and I'd certainly chose that non-vulnerable. 4♣ I can't understand at all, you don't want to be in 5♣ with that north hand.

[mikeh]

skaeran, on Sep 10 2007, 10:30 AM, said:

There's two possible bids by south in the balancing position; the mainstream 3♣ or an agressive 2NT. 2NT is in fact not as agressive as it seems at first glance. Partner will often provide a stopper - or the suit might be blocked. I prefer 3♣ but won't argue with anyone preferring 2NT.

Over 3♣ north should either pass with a balanced eight count with quacks or try an agressive 3NT. I'd expect pass to be odds on, and I'd certainly chose that non-vulnerable. 4♣ I can't understand at all, you don't want to be in 5♣ with that north hand.

Bang on: when I looked at the hand, my initial reaction was to bid 2N... and one of these days I am going to do it at the table. But 3♣ is the sensible bid, while 4♣ reveals a lack of understanding of the game.