Exploring slam after stayman
#1
Posted 2007-September-04, 13:15
Your partner opens a 15-17 1NT and bids 2h in response to your stayman inquiry. How do you proceed with xx AKxx Kx KQJTx ?
#2
Posted 2007-September-04, 13:23
#3
Posted 2007-September-04, 13:27
1. 3♠ is a slam try in hearts (4m would be a splinter)
2. 3♠ is a slam try in hearts with shortness, 4♣ is RKC for clubs, 4♦ is a balanced slam try.
Either way, I would take the shortest route to RKCB, i.e. 4♣ playing 2., and 3♠ followed by 4N playing 1.
#4
Posted 2007-September-04, 13:56
Harald
#5 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-September-04, 14:22
#6
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:01
#7
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:05
I'd have liked to pose this problem as an interactive bidding problem, offering choices a La Larry Cohen's RealDeal CD's or the BBO Master hand series. I wish I could have hinted that real problem would come after the key card response with respect to Diamond control without tipping you off to bid 6c.
But couldn't you still bid 6c after partner's 4nt response realizing that only real danger is when he has no Diamond control ? If pd had the Ace of Diamonds instead of the Ace of clubs, you still make 6c. Unfortunatley the format of scoring being MP it's really tough to give up on 6h.
My LHO was dealt a Diamond honor, which was the only picture card in her hand and she led a Diamond. It was good lead but one that a lot of others would make, I thought. But surprsingly 6h off 1 was only about 16% MP in a fairly strong field (it was the finals of the two-day All Western Pairs).
#8 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:08
jdonn, on Sep 4 2007, 04:01 PM, said:
In the last year or so its gone from about 100 % of people playing 4C as keycard to like 75 %. In a few years or so I believe it will be mainstream to reverse 4C and 4D since it's definitely better.
#9
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:10
Everyone here who said he would bid RKC would have bid 6♥ over 2+Q as you did.
Anyway, you were in a 6♥ that is clearly better than 50% (♦A on or no ♦ lead minus possibly needing a tame heart split), you did well but got unlucky.
Of course you could try to solve this by cue-bidding but with a side suit that might be running and the scoring being matchpoints I really don't want to help them with their lead.
#10 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:13
sathyab, on Sep 4 2007, 04:05 PM, said:
I'd have liked to pose this problem as an interactive bidding problem, offering choices a La Larry Cohen's RealDeal CD's or the BBO Master hand series. I wish I could have hinted that real problem would come after the key card response with respect to Diamond control without tipping you off to bid 6c.
But couldn't you still bid 6c after partner's 4nt response realizing that only real danger is when he has no Diamond control ? If pd had the Ace of Diamonds instead of the Ace of clubs, you still make 6c. Unfortunatley the format of scoring being MP it's really tough to give up on 6h.
My LHO was dealt a Diamond honor, which was the only picture card in her hand and she led a Diamond. It was good lead but one that a lot of others would make, I thought. But surprsingly 6h off 1 was only about 16% MP in a fairly strong field (it was the finals of the two-day All Western Pairs).
What about if partner has AJx QJxx QJx Axx or similar and 6H makes on a spade lead but 6C does not? Or if partner has AQx QJxx QJx Axx and 6C wrongsides the contract on a spade lead, or if partner has Kxx QJxx AJxx Ax and 6C wrongsides the contract, etc. Or if partner happens to have no SPADE control and 6H makes on a non spade lead but 6C does not. It's not clear even at imps that we should bid 6C though we probably should for the subset of hands where partner has no HJ and we need 3-2 trumps to make 6H, but at MP I would not even consider playing in clubs.
#11
Posted 2007-September-04, 15:17
sathyab, on Sep 4 2007, 02:15 PM, said:
Your partner opens a 15-17 1NT and bids 2h in response to your stayman inquiry. How do you proceed with xx AKxx Kx KQJTx ?
A fairly common agreement is to use 3 of the other
mayor as a slam try, in this case this would be 3S.
Partner should make a cuebid, a 3NT bid by opener
should be serious, i.e. showing a slam suitable hand
with lots of controls.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#12
Posted 2007-September-04, 16:30
jdonn, on Sep 5 2007, 09:01 AM, said:
What do you use 3♠ for?
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#14
Posted 2007-September-04, 16:32
On the diamond lead, (you have Tx of diamonds opposite Kx), what do you play? MP.
#15 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-September-04, 17:44
Stephen Tu, on Sep 4 2007, 05:32 PM, said:
On the diamond lead, (you have Tx of diamonds opposite Kx), what do you play? MP.
Quick duck seems clear
#16
Posted 2007-September-04, 17:50
sathyab, on Sep 4 2007, 02:15 PM, said:
Your partner opens a 15-17 1NT and bids 2h in response to your stayman inquiry. How do you proceed with xx AKxx Kx KQJTx ?
4s kickback for hearts.
If they have two spades off the top so be it.
#17
Posted 2007-September-04, 17:58
As it is, however, using 4♦ as the balanced slam try would probably keep us out of slam... LHO may well double with AJx(x)(x)(x)
#18
Posted 2007-September-04, 18:08
#19
Posted 2007-September-04, 19:53
After 3♠, partner will have three cues available -- 3NT, 4♣, and 4♦. 3NT is "serious," but in context a "serious" hand is one that has a spade control, as a spade control cannot be shown otherwise, at least below 4♥. (Obviously, 3OM works a lot better when the agreed major is spades.)
So, for all times that it matters, partner will bid 3NT after 3OM; otherwise I sign off.
Then I can ask for Aces.
-P.J. Painter.
#20
Posted 2007-September-04, 22:12
Jlall, on Sep 5 2007, 11:44 AM, said:
Stephen Tu, on Sep 4 2007, 05:32 PM, said:
On the diamond lead, (you have Tx of diamonds opposite Kx), what do you play? MP.
Quick duck seems clear
Its not clear exactly what you mean but playing quickly to try and not give away the position seems a little sharp to me.
Duck in tempo would be appropriate.
"A player may not attempt to mislead an opponent by means of remark or gesture, through the haste or hesitancy of a call or play (as in hesitating before playing a singleton), or by the manner in which the call or play is made."
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

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