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Posted 2007-August-31, 01:30

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Scoring: MP



What would you bid with the south hand on the following auction:

South West North East
Pass 1 2 3*
?

*3 is alerted as a mixed spade raise

You and your partner are not playing equal level conversion.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 01:43

3 spades now
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Posted 2007-August-31, 03:30

4S
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Posted 2007-August-31, 04:28

4, shows my hand
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Posted 2007-August-31, 04:57

was about to say 3 mixed diamond raise ;-)
but 4 is probably better.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 09:49

Obvious 4. Show my hand.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 10:22

Sure 4.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 10:25

What is "equal level conversion?"
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Posted 2007-August-31, 10:59

4 is a good call.

Double - trying to get hearts into the picture at MPs is a second choice, but can complicate the auction later.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 11:12

zasanya, on Aug 31 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

What is "equal level conversion?"

Equal Level Conversion is a principle where if you make a take out double of, a major and partner bids 's your rebid at the same level doesn't promise extra strenght. (It's not normal to extend this to bidding the unbid major - that does promise extra strenght.)

ECL allows you to double 1 holding x KJTx AQJxxx Qx.
If partner responds 2 you can bid 2, showing a normal t/o with a long suit. Thus you can safely enter the bidding assured that you'll find your 4-4 fit when it does exist, and else play in your suit without partner going bananas, expecting lots of extras.
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Posted 2007-August-31, 11:19

4 seems obvious. If not now, when?
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Posted 2007-August-31, 18:15

Yes, good enough for 4.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-01, 08:04

skaeran, on Aug 31 2007, 12:12 PM, said:

zasanya, on Aug 31 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

What is "equal level conversion?"

Equal Level Conversion is a principle where if you make a take out double of, a major and partner bids 's your rebid at the same level doesn't promise extra strenght. (It's not normal to extend this to bidding the unbid major - that does promise extra strenght.)

ECL allows you to double 1 holding x KJTx AQJxxx Qx.
If partner responds 2 you can bid 2, showing a normal t/o with a long suit. Thus you can safely enter the bidding assured that you'll find your 4-4 fit when it does exist, and else play in your suit without partner going bananas, expecting lots of extras.

Thank you very much.I always had a problem with this hand type.But what do you do with a very strong single suiter after a 2 response from P?Or should that be a different thread?
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Posted 2007-September-01, 10:43

zasanya, on Sep 1 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

skaeran, on Aug 31 2007, 12:12 PM, said:

zasanya, on Aug 31 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

What is "equal level conversion?"

Equal Level Conversion is a principle where if you make a take out double of, a major and partner bids 's your rebid at the same level doesn't promise extra strenght. (It's not normal to extend this to bidding the unbid major - that does promise extra strenght.)

ECL allows you to double 1 holding x KJTx AQJxxx Qx.
If partner responds 2 you can bid 2, showing a normal t/o with a long suit. Thus you can safely enter the bidding assured that you'll find your 4-4 fit when it does exist, and else play in your suit without partner going bananas, expecting lots of extras.

Thank you very much.I always had a problem with this hand type.But what do you do with a very strong single suiter after a 2 response from P?Or should that be a different thread?

I guess you're talking about a hand too strong to overcall 2, planning to double next to show a strong hand.

Playing ELC you have to double and rebid 3 over 2 or 2 from partner.
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Posted 2007-September-01, 11:17

[quote name='skaeran' date='Sep 1 2007, 11:43 AM']
Thank you very much.I always had a problem with this hand type.But what do you do with a very strong [di] single suiter after a 2[cl] response from P?Or should that be a different thread? [/QUOTE]
I guess you're talking about a hand too strong to overcall 2[di], planning to double next to show a strong hand.

Playing ELC you have to double and rebid 3[di] over 2[he] or 2[cl] from partner.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 2007-September-01, 15:01

3S

Showing an inv. raise of Diamonds.
I dont understand the added remarks with regards
to the problem, even if I look at my hand:
partner cant hold a t/o.

Even if we have a heart fit, given the vulnerability,
if we play a game contract, it will be on the 5 level.
They may let us play 4D, but never 4H.

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