[Quantumcat]

P opens with 1♥, 3♦ after your 1♠. He refuses to have any part of your spades no matter what you bid (unless you sign off in them that is). I think I eventually got sick of bidding and just said 6♠ at some stage.

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P opens with 1♥, 3♦ after your 1♠. He refuses to have any part of your spades no matter what you bid (unless you sign off in them that is). I think I eventually got sick of bidding and just said 6♠ at some stage.

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These both came up as practice hands today, not sure of the right approach.

[helene_t]

The first one: After 3♦, bid 3♠. If p can cue 4♣ now, you can ask for keycards and bid either 6 or 7. Otherwise I'd just sign off in 6♠.

The second one: I'd start with a double. After 2♣ I bid 6NT.

[bid_em_up]

Quantumcat, on Aug 28 2007, 08:17 AM, said:

P opens with 1♥, 3♦ after your 1♠. He refuses to have any part of your spades no matter what you bid (unless you sign off in them that is). I think I eventually got sick of bidding and just said 6♠ at some stage.

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Bid 3S (the suit is self sufficient). Hard to say what to do next, since you didn't give any of partners later calls. If partner happens to rebid 4D (showing 5+/5+), consider playing 6D instead of 6S. 6S is certainly reasonable, though.

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P opens with 1♥, 3♦ after your 1♠. He refuses to have any part of your spades no matter what you bid (unless you sign off in them that is). I think I eventually got sick of bidding and just said 6♠ at some stage.

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Why? This hand opposite an opening bid is close to driving to slam on its own. Add to it the fact that RHO overcalled (marking himself with some values) make any missing cards favored to be onside. Partners opening bid can hardly be less than xx Ax KJ10xx Kxxx or xx xx AKJ10x KJxx, can it?

In the first example, 6N will depend, at worst, on the spade finesse which rates to be working (and its working 100% of the time on a spade lead into your hand). 4D (likely), 3H, 2S, and 3C will suffice for 12 tricks.

In the second example, you really only need the heart Ace onside for 12 sure tricks (5D, 4C, 2H, 1S) or alternatively, 5D, 4C, 2S, and 1H. In any case, both honors rate to be onside after the 1S overcall.