[mikegill]

Scoring: MP

1N - 2♦* - ?

* = one major

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your agreements are that 2♥, 2♠ are to play, 2NT is lebensohl and 3-level bids are xfers, X is values and/or interest in penalizing

[jtfanclub]

I likes my chances.

3NT.

[pclayton]

(edited)

Start with 3♣.

What do your 3M bid mean after the transfer? What does it mean if pard accepts the transfer (does it show a minimum? A fit?)

Last, is a delayed call over their 2M meaningful or is it just a balance?

I realize you don't have the answers for all this, but I pose these to the others posting.

[pbleighton]

3C, transfer to diamonds, followed by 5D. Yeah, I know it's matchpoints

Peter

[jdonn]

Is there any agreement on what bids mean if I pass first?

[mikeh]

I choose 3♣ then I force to 5♦, usually by bidding it, but see below.

My instinctive reaction was 5♦, on the theory that the less the opps bid, the happier I am, and it is probably not critical to have partner as declarer: it may well be equally, or more, important to conceal my hand during the play.

But I'm going to 5♦ anyway (I expect) and I might be able to reach a slam by bidding slowly. At this heat, partner will never bump me to slam over an immediate 5♦ because I might be 1=1=8=3 without the ♣K, as an example.

So the slower route might, but probably won't, get me to slam.

This could happen several ways. If LHO stays out, partner may take the bump over 3♦ 5♦ with all the Aces and 3+ trump (reasoning that the odds are extremely high that 5♦ will be average minus, and/or that if I can expect 11 tricks opposite an average 1N, the 4 aces warrant the push). If LHO comes in, showing both majors, and partner bids 4♦, that should show a good fit, and I'd make a try....4♥, in all likelihood.

[neilkaz]

I transfer to ♦ and proceed slowly as we can have a slam if PD has the right cards... ie aces

[jtfanclub]

May as well bid 6 diamonds now. I seriously doubt that 5 diamonds will be an average.

Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.

[han]

I will also force to 5D.

If I was interested in 3NT (that would mean quite a different hand) then I would start with a double.

[mikeh]

jtfanclub, on Aug 24 2007, 01:55 PM, said:

May as well bid 6 diamonds now. I seriously doubt that 5 diamonds will be an average.

Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.

I am not 'eager' for slam. I am just not giving up on it There is a huge difference.

[neilkaz]

jtfanclub, on Aug 24 2007, 01:55 PM, said:

May as well bid 6 diamonds now. I seriously doubt that 5 diamonds will be an average.

Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.

Opposite four aces and 3 card support slam should be easy unless you lose 2♣ tricks or can't bring in a 3-0 split in ♦.

Maybe slam is too odds against, but I don't want to give up on it just yet.

[skjaeran]

3♣ transfer first.
If I get the opportunity I'll rebid 4♣ and then 5♦.

[jikl]

As a matter of interest, what does 4♦ mean? Transfer to ♥ or is it ♦ with possible slam interest?

Sean

[Fluffy]

this is MP, I will double and if partner doubles their suit I'll bid 3NT, if he doesn't I'll try 5♦

[the hog]

I disagree with most posters here. I will bid an immediate 5D. Why? My 4 card C suit is concealed; I don't think its crucial for pd to be declarer here; I don't want the opps bidding a Major if at all possible.

3NT is an awful bid imo. The chances of haveing fast stoppers in both Ms AND of bringing in the Ds is rather remote.

[mikegill]

For those who have inquired about the methods, I will do what I can.

No specific agreements about passing first then bidding. Double will in general be takeout and not penalty through the 3-level at least.

No agreement about 3M after pard accepts, presumably he would take this as showing values in the suit.

A direct 4d would be a xfer.

Xfer is inv+ since you can lebesohl and sign off in 3d with no game interest. Probably this should have been mentioned in the original post.

[benlessard]

3nt without stoppers.

If partner has stoppers in both majors then 3nt might easily be a better contract then 5♦ (esp in MP). Partner without stoppers in BOTH majors will bid 4c followed by my 5♦.

Im not afraid to lets opps bids maj at 4 level since they are R against W.


If we play fast show (wich is inferior to fast denies) then ill bid 2nt followed by 3nt.

(in some version or transfer leb 3♠ show stops and 3nt denies stopp)

[the hog]

"Partner without stoppers in BOTH majors will bid 4c followed by my 5D."

And why, pray tell, will your partner bid 4C over your 3NT???? 3NT tells pd that this is where you want to play.

[skjaeran]

The_Hog, on Aug 25 2007, 10:25 AM, said:

"Partner without stoppers in BOTH majors will bid 4c followed by my 5D."

And why, pray tell, will your partner bid 4C over your 3NT???? 3NT tells pd that this is where you want to play.

He said:

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3nt without stoppers.

So if 3NT conventionally say that he's got no major suit stoppers, obviously partner won't pass without both suits stopped.