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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2007-August-25, 04:56

MP's, all green
Weak opps. You are dealer and hold:
KJx-x-xxx-AKJxxx
1C-(p)-1D*-(1H**)
2C-(2H)-P-(P)
??
*: you play transfer Walsh. 1D is transfer to H
**: 1H was bid immediatly. You did nit have the chanche to alert 1D before it was bid. You alert and tell RHO that he can change his bid if he wants, but he does not want to change it.
Your general agreement is that all DBL's are negative, but here it seems that H distribution is known for everybody. So DBL would mean: I don't want to defend 2H undoubled. (Probably same if partner would have DBLed).
- What is the max partner can have for his pass?
- Do you DBL, bid 3C or pass?
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Posted 2007-August-25, 06:33

While double means that you don't want to play 2H undoubled, it seems it also means that you think it might be a good idea to play 2H doubled. If partner could not make this suggestion on his own over 2H, I'm not so sure it's a good idea. Sure, double requests that he do something intelligent, as the saying goes. He may think the most intelligent thing he can come up with is to pass and hope to beat it. How about 3C? If partner is 3-4-4-2 and minimal maybe I can hold 3C doubled to down 1. But then partner could be 3-4-5-1? Maybe he would have hit 2H with that holding. Maybe.

I think I'll pass. They say you cannot pass out 2H at mps. I can.
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Posted 2007-August-25, 10:50

kgr, on Aug 25 2007, 05:56 AM, said:

You alert and tell RHO that he can change his bid if he wants, but he does not want to change it.


Partner has about 6 to 10 points, and may or may not have a club fit or a diamond suit. I pass.

Sorry, but this is just wrong. Players should never make rulings at the table. That's the director's job. Call him, and then explain that your RHO bid so quickly that you didn't have time to alert (besides, the out of tempo call gives UI to his partner, which the TD should also explain).
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Posted 2007-August-25, 12:33

Pass: I told my hand, partner decided to pass...
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Posted 2007-August-26, 09:59

partner had 9HCP and 3=4=4=2 or 4=4=3=2.
I did pass and 2H was -1.
3C makes or +1.
Passing out 2H gave a score of about 20%.
...Still not sure if partner had to bid more or if I had to DBL in balancing position..
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Posted 2007-August-26, 11:51

"9 HCP" is useless, "which honours exactly" is way more useful... Can you give his entire hand?
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Posted 2007-August-26, 12:28

kgr, on Aug 26 2007, 07:59 AM, said:

partner had 9HCP and 3=4=4=2 or 4=4=3=2.
I did pass and 2H was -1.
3C makes or +1.
Passing out 2H gave a score of about 20%.
...Still not sure if partner had to bid more or if I had to DBL in balancing position..

It seems pard could have done something more over 2♥.

Double doesn't seem like action to me - it seems like: they've bid my suit and I'd like penalize them - or at least suggest a penalty.

2♠ would be an overbid with a 9 count and partner denying 4♠. Depending on the texture, I'd raise to 3♣ or pass maybe.
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Posted 2007-August-26, 15:42

Free, on Aug 26 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

"9 HCP" is useless, "which honours exactly" is way more useful... Can you give his entire hand?

I guess he had something like:
Qxx=QTxx=Kxxx=Qx
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Posted 2007-August-26, 15:58

kgr, on Aug 26 2007, 04:42 PM, said:

Free, on Aug 26 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

"9 HCP" is useless, "which honours exactly" is way more useful...  Can you give his entire hand?

I guess he had something like:
Qxx=QTxx=Kxxx=Qx

He should raise you to 3♣, you didn't have to bid 2♣ over 1♥ and he knows they will pick up his hearts opposite your singleton or void. If you passed out 2♥ then this one is not your fault.
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Posted 2007-August-27, 03:01

jdonn, on Aug 26 2007, 10:58 PM, said:

kgr, on Aug 26 2007, 04:42 PM, said:

Free, on Aug 26 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

"9 HCP" is useless, "which honours exactly" is way more useful...  Can you give his entire hand?

I guess he had something like:
Qxx=QTxx=Kxxx=Qx

He should raise you to 3♣, you didn't have to bid 2♣ over 1♥ and he knows they will pick up his hearts opposite your singleton or void. If you passed out 2♥ then this one is not your fault.

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Posted 2007-August-27, 03:11

Hi,

#1 Partner can still have inv. values.
#2 3C.

#3 And Double by partner is certainly not neg.,
it is a penalty.
He already did tell us, he has a 4 card suit,
and he cant have found suddelny heart shortage.
I also did deny 4 card spade suit, I could have bid
spades.

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