your agreements are that 2♥, 2♠ are to play, 2NT is lebensohl and 3-level bids are xfers, X is values and/or interest in penalizing
1174 is a fun shape
#1
Posted 2007-August-24, 11:05
your agreements are that 2♥, 2♠ are to play, 2NT is lebensohl and 3-level bids are xfers, X is values and/or interest in penalizing
#3
Posted 2007-August-24, 11:30
Start with 3♣.
What do your 3M bid mean after the transfer? What does it mean if pard accepts the transfer (does it show a minimum? A fit?)
Last, is a delayed call over their 2M meaningful or is it just a balance?
I realize you don't have the answers for all this, but I pose these to the others posting.
#4
Posted 2007-August-24, 11:38
Peter
#5
Posted 2007-August-24, 11:58
#6
Posted 2007-August-24, 12:09
My instinctive reaction was 5♦, on the theory that the less the opps bid, the happier I am, and it is probably not critical to have partner as declarer: it may well be equally, or more, important to conceal my hand during the play.
But I'm going to 5♦ anyway (I expect) and I might be able to reach a slam by bidding slowly. At this heat, partner will never bump me to slam over an immediate 5♦ because I might be 1=1=8=3 without the ♣K, as an example.
So the slower route might, but probably won't, get me to slam.
This could happen several ways. If LHO stays out, partner may take the bump over 3♦ 5♦ with all the Aces and 3+ trump (reasoning that the odds are extremely high that 5♦ will be average minus, and/or that if I can expect 11 tricks opposite an average 1N, the 4 aces warrant the push). If LHO comes in, showing both majors, and partner bids 4♦, that should show a good fit, and I'd make a try....4♥, in all likelihood.
#7
Posted 2007-August-24, 12:30
#8
Posted 2007-August-24, 12:55
Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.
#9
Posted 2007-August-24, 12:56
If I was interested in 3NT (that would mean quite a different hand) then I would start with a double.
- hrothgar
#10
Posted 2007-August-24, 13:09
jtfanclub, on Aug 24 2007, 01:55 PM, said:
Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.
I am not 'eager' for slam. I am just not giving up on it
#11
Posted 2007-August-24, 13:14
jtfanclub, on Aug 24 2007, 01:55 PM, said:
Why is everybody so eager for slam? Your partner could have a flat hand with all four aces and the odds of slam working is still slim.
Opposite four aces and 3 card support slam should be easy unless you lose 2♣ tricks or can't bring in a 3-0 split in ♦.
Maybe slam is too odds against, but I don't want to give up on it just yet.
#12
Posted 2007-August-24, 15:01
If I get the opportunity I'll rebid 4♣ and then 5♦.
Harald
#13 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-August-24, 15:36
#14
Posted 2007-August-24, 16:30
Sean
#15
Posted 2007-August-24, 17:23
#16
Posted 2007-August-24, 18:43
3NT is an awful bid imo. The chances of haveing fast stoppers in both Ms AND of bringing in the Ds is rather remote.
#17
Posted 2007-August-24, 19:15
No specific agreements about passing first then bidding. Double will in general be takeout and not penalty through the 3-level at least.
No agreement about 3M after pard accepts, presumably he would take this as showing values in the suit.
A direct 4d would be a xfer.
Xfer is inv+ since you can lebesohl and sign off in 3d with no game interest. Probably this should have been mentioned in the original post.
#18
Posted 2007-August-25, 00:53
If partner has stoppers in both majors then 3nt might easily be a better contract then 5♦ (esp in MP). Partner without stoppers in BOTH majors will bid 4c followed by my 5♦.
Im not afraid to lets opps bids maj at 4 level since they are R against W.
If we play fast show (wich is inferior to fast denies) then ill bid 2nt followed by 3nt.
(in some version or transfer leb 3♠ show stops and 3nt denies stopp)
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#19
Posted 2007-August-25, 02:25
And why, pray tell, will your partner bid 4C over your 3NT???? 3NT tells pd that this is where you want to play.
#20
Posted 2007-August-25, 03:23
The_Hog, on Aug 25 2007, 10:25 AM, said:
And why, pray tell, will your partner bid 4C over your 3NT???? 3NT tells pd that this is where you want to play.
He said:
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So if 3NT conventionally say that he's got no major suit stoppers, obviously partner won't pass without both suits stopped.
Harald

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