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Was I off base here? 3rd seat opener @MP

Poll: Your opening bid? (51 member(s) have cast votes)

Your opening bid?

  1. 1S (43 votes [84.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.31%

  2. 2S (8 votes [15.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.69%

  3. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:05

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What other calls do you consider making?
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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:14

1S for me. Because I have the spade suit. If I held hearts I might well consider a 3H opening, but I see no reason to pre-empt here.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:16

I open one, but I consider 2 and 3 (never 4 sorry). I don't like 2♠, I'd open 3♠ against opponents who are stronger than us.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:16

I open 1♠; call me a simple soul. I don't like to experiment with 2 or 3♠ although 2♠ could work well. However, the problem with pre-empting is that partner may bid on where we should have defended. I have excellent cards for defence.

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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:21

Do I read this correctly, - we are first in hand? Why on earth would you even contemplate any other bid apart from 1S? 2S is crazy.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:23

1s if open on junk
2s if open on super sound.
For those who have no idea what super sound means...reread 1950 bridge.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:54

If I read the auction corecct, we are south as always in a problem and I would think about 2 ♠ before choosing 1 Spade for the reasons Roland gave.
In first hand this is a no brainer and no alternative 1 Spade opening bid.

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Posted 2007-August-23, 02:56

We are South, dealer is North, i.e. 3rd seat (see topic)
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Posted 2007-August-23, 03:54

The average strength of a first hand pass is 8 HCP, the second hands average is a little less than 9 HCP. So if the bidding goes pass - pass 3rd and 4th hand share 23+ HCP.
Holding 11 HCP of these, means that that LHO has 12+ HCP and his side will have about 21 hcp on average.

I don't think that opps can double 2♠ and they won't have game.
So bidding a final 2♠ seems appropriate.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 05:09

probably some of the voters didn't noticed we are in 3rd position.

i'll vote for 2S in 3rd (but a normal 1S in 1st).
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Posted 2007-August-23, 05:11

I would open 1S most of the time.
I don't mind 2S if in the mood.
3S is not totally absurd, although I wouldn't usually.

Only 4S is completely off base, IMO.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:49

I have a good 6 cards spade suit that I'd be willing to bid to second level, right? So why would I not bid it right away given that partner is a passed hand?

Opps are most likely to compete in hearts where I am short, so I must take away at least some space from them.

The only downside to 2♠ is that we could miss a game. I don't think that's too probable though given that I have a 7 loser hand, and partner should have more than 7.

In short, I bid 2♠ at all vulns and forms of scoring, and there's no other call I would consider.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 09:41

If partner has

xxxx
xxxx
Kxxx
x

we've got a good shot at game. We have Minisplinters available in my preferred system, and while I wouldn't expect to find game across this particular hand, there's lots of game possibilities here.

I bid 1 spade. I save 2 spades for hands that don't have a reasonable shot of game across a passed hand.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 10:27

Playing Drury and Minisplinters, I'd open this 1♠. 2♠ is also quite OK by me - I don't mix up my 3rd seat 2-level openings normally.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 11:19

jtfanclub, on Aug 23 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

If partner has

xxxx
xxxx
Kxxx
x

we've got a good shot at game.

With that hand I expect my partner to bid the same number of spades as opps would bid in hearts up to level four. (If I open 2♠, that is.)

Come on, we haven't thrown away all that we've learned in the good all days when we believed in the Law, have we?
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Posted 2007-August-23, 12:26

1♠ and i am not considering any other bid.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 12:33

Why hasn't Richard told us that the right thing to do is open 1♠60% of the time, 2♠35% of the time and 1NT 5% of the time?
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Posted 2007-August-23, 12:53

1♠. I would open this 3♠ after, say, 4 cups of coffee.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 13:09

1S seems clear. We may well have game opposite a passed hand, so 2S and 3S are out playing standard methods, and this isn't the hand to open 4S.

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Posted 2007-August-23, 13:14

pclayton, on Aug 23 2007, 01:53 PM, said:

1♠. I would open this 3♠ after, say, 4 cups of coffee.

I would open this 3♠ after, say, 4 cups of Irish coffee. <_<
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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