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if you play 2 D waiting, and 2 hearts is NOT double neg, should you have a 5 card suit?
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question about 2 heart bid
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Posted 2007-August-24, 01:35
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if you play 2 D waiting, and 2 hearts is NOT double neg, should you have a 5 card suit?
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Posted 2007-August-24, 01:41
If undiscussed I will presume 5 cards.
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Posted 2007-August-24, 02:06
actually 5.5 cards, bad 5 card suit is not enough.
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Posted 2007-August-24, 05:17
Playing 2D waiting, for 2M you should have 5+ cards and at least two out of the top three honors.
For 3m you should have 6+ cards and at least two out of the top three honors.
Peter
For 3m you should have 6+ cards and at least two out of the top three honors.
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Posted 2007-August-24, 05:54
Yes, you need a good 5-card suit. As in most other situations, there is no need to introduce a 4-card as you first suit since a 4-4-fit can be found in some other way (Stayman, negative double, opener introduces a 4-card as his second suit). The general principle that your first suit is a 5-card certainly applies here. The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.
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Posted 2007-August-24, 06:12
helene_t, on Aug 24 2007, 01:54 PM, said:
Yes, you need a good 5-card suit. As in most other situations, there is no need to introduce a 4-card as you first suit since a 4-4-fit can be found in some other way (Stayman, negative double, opener introduces a 4-card as his second suit). The general principle that your first suit is a 5-card certainly applies here. The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.
I agree with your first point because a 2♣ opening is space consuming without telling anything about hand type. I do not agree with your second comment:
The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.
♠ K4
♥ 1083
♦ AJ98
♣ KQJ2
1♠ - ??
Would you respond anything but 2♣ with that hand? I don't think anyone has the agreement that 2♣ shows 5+ cards. The same applies with a hand like this:
♠ K4
♥ AQ62
♦ AQ107
♣ 743
Is there a better response than 2♦ to 1♠ with that hand?
Finally, there is even a hand where a 2♣ response over 1♠ can be three cards:
♠ A95
♥ KQ104
♦ 943
♣ KQ2
I think it's common to respond 2♣ as the most flexible call.
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Posted 2007-August-24, 08:56
Welll..... if you play that a 2C followed by 2N rebid = 20-21, then 2M = 0-3 HCP, natural 5/6 card suit 
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