[bid_em_up]

All White
East (partner) deals and opens 1♣. Opps silent.

1♣-1♦-1♥-?

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I'll assume you agree with the bidding so far, but if you don't, deal with it.

I kibbed this hand the other night. I'll reveal the results later.

(And why don't the suit symbols work in a poll?)

[pbleighton]

I bid 2S, GF 6-5, The spade suit is bad enough so that 1S is reasonable.

Peter

[jdonn]

pbleighton, on Aug 16 2007, 11:59 AM, said:

I bid 2S, GF 6-5, The spade suit is bad enough so that 1S is reasonable.

Peter

All well and good if you play it, but that seems like a special agreement. In the US anyway, I am confident this following is standard undiscussed for experts, as well as being BWS

1♠ = 4+ spades, forcing 1 round, any strength.
2♠ = Artificial game forcing, denies 4 spades (that part is only implied in BWS though not explicitely stated.)

The followup to the 1♠ bid, though I haven't often heard it discussed, I understand to be if responder rebids 2♠ that is game invitational, 3♠ game forcing, both showing 5-6. If responder is weak 5-6 he either responds 1♠ to begin with or is stuck never showing his spade length. In any case that means this hand is certainly a 1♠ bid now, and if partner bids 1NT or 2♣ next you choose between 2♠, 3♠, or maybe 3♦.

[the hog]

I start with 1S and see what happens.

[asc]

1♠ and if P say NT-3NT sounds good for me (I have 6 tricks).

[Edmunte1]

1♠ ---- 4+♠ and forcing one round. 2♠ would have been GF denying 4♠, usually with bal with 5♦ or with ♣ fit or good long diamonds

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

as alsways is depends on your agreements.
I would bid 1S, which for me shows 4+ spades,
2S being FSF.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

Depends on the agreements... 1♠ or 2♠, whatever shows ♠

[bid_em_up]

Ok, now for the "amazing" part. At least, it amazes (or baffles) me. Make sure you have a barf bag handy.

At the table, this hand rebid 3N (which I think is a terrible call). It goes pass pass, and RHO hold AKQJ10x of clubs did not double. If he did, do you think X here should call for a club lead? or a spade?

At many tables in this tournament, this hand did bid 1S, and the auction proceeded.

1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠
1NT-3N!!!!-p-p-?

Not 2S, not 3S, but 3N!!! Amazing!!!

And RHO Doubled!! (amazing, since he is now on lead with 6 cashing tricks, and should not want opponents to run.)

In 3 of these cases, one of the two hands actually XX'd!! And then, the other hand sat for it!!!

Partners hand:

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The spade Qxx is in the slot if needed.

All in all, some pretty amazing stuff.

[cherdano]

Looks like normal club bidding to me, partner has clubs and hearts, I have diamonds and spades, so we play 3N. (Often this logic applies even with a combined holding of 20-21 hcp.)

[han]

Yes, I think the proper word is "bad", not "amazing".

I would make the forcing spade call, whichever that is.

[Halo]

I don't see much wrong with the 3NT bid. Wouldn't make me disagree with partner.

[benlessard]

I think 3nt is sick...

Its possible that 3nt is the best contract but its also possible that 4♠ or 5♦ or a slam is there and a 3nt bid make no moves for finding them. Partner could easily have a 3415 shapes with some extras by keeping the bidding open you are freerolling.

[Halo]

benlessard, on Aug 17 2007, 03:50 PM, said:

I think 3nt is sick...

Its possible that 3nt is the best contract but its also possible that 4♠ or 5♦ or a slam is there and a 3nt bid make no moves for finding them. Partner could easily have a 3415 shapes with some extras by keeping the bidding open you are freerolling.

Are you assuming that if partner bids 3NT you are never allowed to move on?

[benlessard]

Maybe i misread the auction

I saw

1♣-------1♦
1♥-------1♠
1nt-------3nt

3nt is signoff

Even if 1♠ is 100% GF i still think openener is limited to 15 pts for his 1nt rebid.

If 1♠ is Art GF and 1nt only show a ♠ stopper but could be any strenght then partner can bid over 3nt. Otherwise he cannot.

Plus if 1♠ is art GF then 3nt is one of the worst bid i can imagine since you you can bid an easy 2♦ or 2♠ to further describe your shape.