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Poll: What should the second X mean? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What should the second X mean?

  1. I have lots of spades (25 votes [89.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 89.29%

  2. I have some hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. I have some values (3 votes [10.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2007-August-16, 11:30

1♣-p-1♦-X
1♠-X
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Posted 2007-August-16, 11:32

penalty
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Posted 2007-August-16, 11:36

Jlall, on Aug 16 2007, 09:32 AM, said:

penalty

Agree with this, but not based on a bunch of spade values, rather good club values.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 12:49

Echognome, on Aug 16 2007, 12:36 PM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 16 2007, 09:32 AM, said:

penalty

Agree with this, but not based on a bunch of spade values, rather good club values.

I use it for points but not heart length, which in reality almost always turns out to be club values...

I don't know that really qualifies as a penalty or not, but I expect partner to leave it in a goodly portion of the time.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 12:59

Hmm to me it would say 4 spades and constructive values, and say nothing at all about clubs, same as 1♣ X 1♠ X.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 13:24

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 08:59 PM, said:

Hmm to me it would say 4 spades and constructive values, and say nothing at all about clubs, same as 1♣ X 1♠ X.

Nah, with 5 spades and some values you would have overcalled 1♠. At least Justin and Arend would. Besides, p has promised 4 spades this time. So 3 spades are enough for this penalty double. OTOH I don't see why you necesarily need clubs for this double. A 3-3-4-3 would do.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 13:49

Jlall, on Aug 16 2007, 11:32 AM, said:

penalty

Do you mean 4 spades and some values, or showing a penalty pass of 1♣ ready to double everything in sight?
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Posted 2007-August-16, 14:33

Shows spades - has the opponent really got spades?
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Posted 2007-August-16, 14:37

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 10:59 AM, said:

Hmm to me it would say 4 spades and constructive values, and say nothing at all about clubs, same as 1♣ X 1♠ X.

I find this auction very different. For starters, partner has absolutely promised 4 spades on this auction, unlike over (1♣) - X. Second, what is the hand with a club stack supposed to do here? Bid 2♣ natural?

I think partner has shown he's got the majors, so my double should be based on club values. I don't see how I could be 3=3=4=3 for this auction and have a double. To me that hand shape is a 1NT or 2NT bid. I'm think more along the lines of a 2=3=3=5 hand.
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Posted 2007-August-17, 01:34

penalty with at least 4♠ or 3♠ and extra values (clubs values probably)

its to avoid psych and to find 4-4♠ fit despite the 4-1 break.
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Posted 2007-August-17, 02:25

Echognome, on Aug 16 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 10:59 AM, said:

Hmm to me it would say 4 spades and constructive values, and say nothing at all about clubs, same as 1♣ X 1♠ X.

I find this auction very different. For starters, partner has absolutely promised 4 spades on this auction, unlike over (1♣) - X. Second, what is the hand with a club stack supposed to do here? Bid 2♣ natural?

I don't see why that hand feels the need to bid at all, even with fair values. But I admit I had not really thought about this auction before. I can see the logic behind double not promising 4 spades and am tending to agree with it, mostly so you can nail the opponents and because with 4 you will always end up bidding 2♠ anyway, so why not do it right away.

I am glad this thread came up, it made me think more about a situation I hadn't considered enough before.
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Posted 2007-August-17, 02:39

Spades and values, so I can't vote. If you have hearts, bid them.

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Posted 2007-August-17, 03:11

Hammer :P
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