[pbleighton]

Interesting atricle in the WP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7081401722.html

Peter

[Al_U_Card]

She has done a good job of "de-remembering" whitewater and how she was involved in so many "things" back in the day.....don't kid yourself, she is a seasoned politician, a power-broker with the best(worst) of them and one very savvy person. To be watched closely.

[BebopKid]

Being from Arkansas and experiencing the Clinton governor-years, I think it is very safe to say that Hillary had those tactics way before Karl Rove.

[Al_U_Card]

Hey Bop!

How's about the Clinton-Edwards ticket.....would it work south of the M-D line?

[luke warm]

while clinton might be able to win the white house (i doubt it), i think that if she gets the nomination it will have significant repercussions for the makeup of both houses of congress ... and that's despite her running mate, whoever that is

[jtfanclub]

luke warm, on Aug 15 2007, 04:46 PM, said:

while clinton might be able to win the white house (i doubt it), i think that if she gets the nomination it will have significant repercussions for the makeup of both houses of congress ... and that's despite her running mate, whoever that is

You may be surprised.

Sure, she has negative whatevers, but the Clintons are capable of raising a lot of cash. Unbelievable amounts of cash. Unimaginable amounts of cash. "I didn't know the planet had this much money" cash. Lots of cash = big turnout. Big turnout = Democrats winning congressional seats.

Sure, she has high negatives, but Romney, Guilliani, and McCain are also going to have gigantic negatives...Romney for his flip-flopping on Abortion etc., Guilliani for his infidelity, and McCain for being McCain. No matter which of those guys wins the nomination, there's going to be a lot of Republicans who stay home. Combined with the Oodles of Cash Clinton machine, that should favor the Democrats.

If Mike Huckabee wins the Republican nomination...I don't think Hillary can beat him. But I don't think Huckabee can win the nomination, because he can't raise the money. About the only way that he could get there is if both Brownback and Tancredo dropped out and endorsed him. And I don't see that happening.

[Winstonm]

Rovian tactics - does that mean she's quitting, too, at the end of August?

[cherdano]

pbleighton, on Aug 15 2007, 08:15 AM, said:

Interesting atricle in the WP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7081401722.html

Peter

What was so interesting about it? The only Rovian tactic they claimed the Clinton campaign was using is being very disciplined.

[helene_t]

cherdano, on Aug 16 2007, 12:07 AM, said:

What was so interesting about it? The only Rovian tactic they claimed the Clinton campaign was using is being very disciplined.

Exactly. I don't get the point either. But what the h... I'm just an ignorant European.

[BebopKid]

Al_U_Card, on Aug 15 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

Hey Bop!

How's about the Clinton-Edwards ticket.....would it work south of the M-D line?

Neither are popular around here.

My money is on Obama or Ron Paul.

[pbleighton]

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The only Rovian tactic they claimed the Clinton campaign was using is being very disciplined.

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And why not? Harris and Halperin wrote last year that Rove and the Clintons shared some of the same understandings of how politics work, and the two authors even crafted a list they titled "What Hillary Clinton and Karl Rove Know About the Way to Win the White House in 2008." Clinton, they wrote, has "borrowed some strategies" from Rove for dealing with the news media, enemies and anticipated attacks. "Like Karl Rove," they wrote, "Hillary Clinton knows that playing offense is better than playing defense. . . . Hillary Clinton obviously dislikes Bush's policy goals, but she appreciates some of the methods he has used to achieve them."

Peter

[jtfanclub]

pbleighton, on Aug 16 2007, 07:27 AM, said:

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The only Rovian tactic they claimed the Clinton campaign was using is being very disciplined.

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And why not? Harris and Halperin wrote last year that Rove and the Clintons shared some of the same understandings of how politics work, and the two authors even crafted a list they titled "What Hillary Clinton and Karl Rove Know About the Way to Win the White House in 2008." Clinton, they wrote, has "borrowed some strategies" from Rove for dealing with the news media, enemies and anticipated attacks. "Like Karl Rove," they wrote, "Hillary Clinton knows that playing offense is better than playing defense. . . . Hillary Clinton obviously dislikes Bush's policy goals, but she appreciates some of the methods he has used to achieve them."

Peter

Karl Rove borrowed them from Dick Morris.

Hillary Clinton borrowed them from Dick Morris.

Mystery solved.

[mycroft]

Ah good. We can look forward to another 14 months of "debate" by message-countermessage rather than actually discussing the issues.

I get enough of that political spin masquerading as debate on CNN.

While the show has gone significantly downhill, Jon Stewart was right - if you can't find anything good to say about any of your opponent's position, this isn't debate. And if you aren't willing to acknowledge the other side may have a point, what's going to happen when I come with a petition? And since the answer is nothing, why should I listen to you?

I am so glad I don't live there. I am equally disappointed that the Conservative party here is playing the Rovian game of "shut up and don't say anything that can get you into trouble." I am somewhat glad that I have moved out of the riding of the Prime Minister; maybe now what I would like may be 7th on the list of my MP.

Michael.

[pbleighton]

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Ah good. We can look forward to another 14 months of "debate" by message-countermessage rather than actually discussing the issues.

Yes.

Peter