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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2007-August-14, 03:32

Scoring: MP

(P) - 1 - (3) - P
(P) - Dbl - (P) - ?


Over to you.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 03:44

Pass, I have defense, don't like my alternatives, and it's MP so if they make it's not that big a deal...
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Posted 2007-August-14, 06:02

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 07:33

3NT for me
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Posted 2007-August-14, 09:09

Pass. If I thought 4 could be held to -1 for sure (or not get x'd), I'd pull.

My ODR says there aren't a lot of tricks to go around. I hope I'm right.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 09:10

benlessard, on Aug 14 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void

I know Cohen and Bergen claim this - but I don't know anyone that follows this in practice.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 09:26

I pass here. Aiming for any plus score.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 10:02

Pass, might as well shoot for 200.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 10:16

pclayton, on Aug 14 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

benlessard, on Aug 14 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void

I know Cohen and Bergen claim this - but I don't know anyone that follows this in practice.

I think they are frequently quoted out of context. While Larry Cohen has written that he hates to double with a void at the 2 level, that doesn't mean he would not do so ever, and this is the 3 level.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 10:18

ArcLight, on Aug 14 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 14 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

benlessard, on Aug 14 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void

I know Cohen and Bergen claim this - but I don't know anyone that follows this in practice.

I think they are frequently quoted out of context.

yep, exactly right.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 10:44

ArcLight, on Aug 14 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 14 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

benlessard, on Aug 14 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void

I know Cohen and Bergen claim this - but I don't know anyone that follows this in practice.

I think they are frequently quoted out of context. While Larry Cohen has written that he hates to double with a void at the 2 level, that doesn't mean he would not do so ever, and this is the 3 level.

I posted an email that I obtained from Larry Cohen a couple months ago where he explained precisely what you just said. He only uses having a void as one negative factor in the decision to double or not, but he still makes obvious doubles including with a void.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 11:45

It's a long way to 9 tricks in 3NT if I win the Q. So that's not an alternative to me. I'll sit for this, even if I guess it's against the LAW.
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Posted 2007-August-14, 23:40

I don`t X with a void at the 2 level but i have no problem with those who does. But to X at the 3 level with a void is one of the easiest way to lose imps i know and i strongly suggest you to avoid it like plague.

But since this is MP i suppose X with a void is possible but i really don`t like it.

Marshall Miles has a peculiar way of dealing with negative X at the 3 level in `Advanced bidding for the 21st century` very interesting reading IMHO.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2007-August-14, 23:43

jdonn, on Aug 14 2007, 11:44 AM, said:

ArcLight, on Aug 14 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 14 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

benlessard, on Aug 14 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

For me easy pass. Partner shouldnt X with a void

I know Cohen and Bergen claim this - but I don't know anyone that follows this in practice.

I think they are frequently quoted out of context. While Larry Cohen has written that he hates to double with a void at the 2 level, that doesn't mean he would not do so ever, and this is the 3 level.

I posted an email that I obtained from Larry Cohen a couple months ago where he explained precisely what you just said. He only uses having a void as one negative factor in the decision to double or not, but he still makes obvious doubles including with a void.

Yep excellent quote and thanks...but still a bit confusing on what they advocate...but this helped..and that is important. :)

I would not go as far as too say they make "obvious doubles at higher levels".
If that seems vague, I agree.

In this case I pass.
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