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Opening lead to 1NT

#1 User is offline   jtfanclub 

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Posted 2007-August-12, 20:01

Two hands, both times RHO opened 1NT 2nd seat (announced as 15-17) and it was passed out. IMPs, if vulnerability matters please say so.

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Scoring: IMP


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Scoring: IMP

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Posted 2007-August-12, 20:42

spade 4
club 8
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Posted 2007-August-12, 20:57

matmat, on Aug 12 2007, 09:42 PM, said:

spade 4
club 8

too tough..way too tough for me......well done
I lead:
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2) 3D
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Posted 2007-August-12, 21:41

Why "Well done", Mike? At IMPs I lead exactly as you have done. I need to get my long suits working if I am to beat this contract.
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Posted 2007-August-12, 21:47

I agree with Mike's leads. Matt's leads look like he was playing matchpoints.
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Posted 2007-August-12, 23:22

1) spade
2) diamond
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Posted 2007-August-12, 23:23

Jlall, on Aug 12 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

1) spade
2) diamond

Darn, that's what I would have chosen.
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Posted 2007-August-12, 23:25

cherdano, on Aug 13 2007, 12:23 AM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 12 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

1) spade
2) diamond

Darn, that's what I would have chosen.

hahahaha you suck!
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Posted 2007-August-13, 02:20

spade and Diamond too
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:07

/ .

I'm in a passive mood this morning :D
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:14

Spade and a diamond for me too. I'm much more likely to lead passively against 1NT than against 3NT, but I can't stomach a club on the second hand.

BTW, which spade are you (= spadde leaders) leading? Obviously a high spot lets partner know that we don't hold honors in the suit, but it might be important for partner to know that we have 4 of them. I usually lead high (second) from xxxx and low from xxxxx or 10xxx.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:16

If you insist upon "???" as the vulnerability, and IMPs, I lead , .

However, this may be a more interesting problem, perhaps, if the vulnerability is white-white, versus MP. Of course, that's not the problem, but I just thought it would be interesting to figure out what hand possibilities partner will have if he passes out 1NT, at least on the first.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:17

1. 9 of . I want my partner to figure out to lead a when he gets in... if I lead a low spade he may get confused.

2. Lowest on number 2.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:20

1. High Spade

2. Low Diamond
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:23

kenrexford, on Aug 13 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

If you insist upon "???" as the vulnerability, and IMPs, I lead , .

However, this may be a more interesting problem, perhaps, if the vulnerability is white-white, versus MP. Of course, that's not the problem, but I just thought it would be interesting to figure out what hand possibilities partner will have if he passes out 1NT, at least on the first.

Actually, part of what I'd like to know is if your lead changes if it's all red vs. all white.

Assume any standard system for your side that passes most balanced 11 counts.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:23

I agree with the majority spade and diamond. And I offer for debate that the same lead should be chosen at imps and matchpoints (against partscores anyway) the vast majority of the time.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:28

If the right lead depends on the vulnerability, then bridge is too tough a game for me.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:38

1. 8
2. 3
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Posted 2007-August-13, 10:57

What is the attraction of attacking with a diamond on the 2nd hand. Pard has a maximum of a 3-4 count. Our points are well situated behind declarer and they haven't advertised a trick source.

A diamond looks rather desparate to me.
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Posted 2007-August-13, 11:23

pclayton, on Aug 13 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

What is the attraction of attacking with a diamond on the 2nd hand. Pard has a maximum of a 3-4 count. Our points are well situated behind declarer and they haven't advertised a trick source.

A diamond looks rather desparate to me.

Pard has a minimum of 3-4 points, with less opps would have at least invited game. (OP said RHO opened a 15-17 NT passed out.)

I'd not lead a - that's the lead most prone to kill one of partner's honours. Leading a might be both active and passive at the same time. Sure it might blow a trick, but any other suit is more prone to blow a trick. And that trick might easily be returned with interest.
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