[mrdct]

The flag for "other" has been changed from the UN flag to the Chinese Taipae Olympic flag. Perhaps not such a great idea. Strictly speaking the UN can only be used with the consent of the UN and obviously the Chinese Taipae Olympic flag isn't what should be used. I'd suggest either a generic "BBO Logo" flag, the WBF flag or don't give people an "other" option

[hrothgar]

I'd really like it if folks were mature enough to be permitted set their own images. (I'd love to be able to use my SCA heraldry as a flag). Regretfully, my experiences at OKB suggest that enabling options like this will almost imediately lead to fights over what is/is not appropriate content.

In the mean time I think that the BBO flag should default to the following.

[HeavyDluxe]

Saw an interesting thing today, my 3rd time using the BBOTV client.

Used the "First available seat" option and was taken to a game where my seat was dummy.

The software sat me, from my perspective, at the top of the screen. Partner was in the 'south' seat and I was kibbing both hands as he/she declared.

When the hand was over, the seats rotated so my hand was located at the bottom of the screen as normal. However, there seemed to be a disconnect between the bidding display and the seats.

The bidding was now out of alignment. According to the compass (and the marks by my name) I was sitting E. However, my bids were being displayed in the S column on the bidding heads-up.

Not a huge thing, but a bug to be sure.

[fred]

HeavyDluxe, on Aug 24 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

Saw an interesting thing today, my 3rd time using the BBOTV client.

Used the "First available seat" option and was taken to a game where my seat was dummy.

The software sat me, from my perspective, at the top of the screen. Partner was in the 'south' seat and I was kibbing both hands as he/she declared.

When the hand was over, the seats rotated so my hand was located at the bottom of the screen as normal. However, there seemed to be a disconnect between the bidding display and the seats.

The bidding was now out of alignment. According to the compass (and the marks by my name) I was sitting E. However, my bids were being displayed in the S column on the bidding heads-up.

Not a huge thing, but a bug to be sure.

Thanks for the bug report. I will investigate. If the fix is easy and safe as I expect then I will install it, maybe later today.

As you probably figured out, we are trying something new here: the dummy sees the hand played from his partner's point of view.

No doubt some people will complain "I want to be able to see all 4 hands when I am dummy", but the ability to do this in the Windows client (as an option but one that is only respected in some contexts) causes all sorts of problems.

But I have no idea how loud or frequent these complaints will be. This policy is certainly not written in stone, but my guess is that it will be a good thing and I hope that most of the BBO membership will agree.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[HeavyDluxe]

Thanks for the note back, Fred... And thanks again for letting us all play in your sandbox.

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As you probably figured out, we are trying something new here: the dummy sees the hand played from his partner's point of view.

As probably the worst player on these forums, that works for me. I need all the chance to think about declarer cardplay as I can get.

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No doubt some people will complain "I want to be able to see all 4 hands when I am dummy", but the ability to do this in the Windows client (as an option but one that is only respected in some contexts) causes all sorts of problems.

In the client version, I believe you can check a button that allows you to set how the hands 'rotate' when you're dummy. While I have no issue not being able to see opponent's cards, it would be nice to be able to control the perspective at the table (rotate when dummy or not).

Thanks, again,

[1eyedjack]

I joined using version 3, to play at a "pickup" table in the relaxed room, no seats reserved.
I could see all 4 hands while seated - while the auction was in progress.
I told this to the table, and a redeal was suggested and accepted.
I could then see all 4 hands of the next deal.
At that time I thought I had better leave

[fred]

1eyedjack, on Aug 24 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

I joined using version 3, to play at a "pickup" table in the relaxed room, no seats reserved.
I could see all 4 hands while seated - while the auction was in progress.
I told this to the table, and a redeal was suggested and accepted.
I could then see all 4 hands of the next deal.
At that time I thought I had better leave

Oops

I am pretty sure I have fixed this, but if you are currently logged in using BBOTV you will have to refresh your browser window(s) in order to pick up the change.

Hopefully I did not create any new problems in the process - it looks like it might be one of those days...

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[rona_]

I just see a blank blue page. Used it to kibbitz yesterday and it was fine.

[Aberlour10]

I have tried version 3 and have had some problems for the first time by using BBO TV. It started with login, to complete this.. it took +- 4x more time than later the login to the windows client. I was pretty long freezed by changing the tables I kibbitzed, after these changes I saw only things like "white shadows" of the moved cards at the table... maybe all that "produceed" by my PC..I dont know..

Robert

[fred]

To Rona and Arberlour:

When such things happen you might want to try things like:

1) Refreshing the page
2) Clearing your browser cache
3) Exiting your browser
4) Restarting your computer

Rona's symptoms suggest a slow or poor connection (not necessarily on Rona's end).

Arberlour's symptoms suggest that Arberlour's PC is in a bad state (low or memory or some other vital resource).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[skjaeran]

rona_, on Aug 24 2007, 09:27 PM, said:

I just see a blank blue page. Used it to kibbitz yesterday and it was fine.

The same happened to me just now.
BBOTV started loading, then I just got the blue screen.

[mrdct]

I just played a hand at a random pick-up table and could see all 4 hands throughout the bidding and play.

[fred]

mrdct, on Aug 24 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

I just played a hand at a random pick-up table and could see all 4 hands throughout the bidding and play.

I thought I fixed this. Can you please try clearing your cache, refreshing the page, and trying again?

If it happens again, please try to notice how many other people were at the table when you arrived.

Thanks,

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

fred, on Aug 24 2007, 10:10 PM, said:

mrdct, on Aug 24 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

I just played a hand at a random pick-up table and could see all 4 hands throughout the bidding and play.

I thought I fixed this. Can you please try clearing your cache, refreshing the page, and trying again?

If it happens again, please try to notice how many other people were at the table when you arrived.

Thanks,

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

Sorry - my mistake.

It should be OK now...

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Dwingo]

Friends list - The back ground Dark Green is OK. The font in blcak is not enough contrast and hence a strain on the eye. A lighter font like Grey should make it better. ( Grey may be a problem to show Friends who are "Away from Table")

How do we find out who is the Host of the Table?

[Rossoneri]

Minor problem: Switzerland flag was displayed as Macau's. (I happened to click on uschiwho's profile and the macau flag came out but country was displayed as switzerland)

[1eyedjack]

When I am dummy, I don't get to view declarer's hand until after the first card is led to trick 2. Perhaps that is just a delay in the net.

The current inability to review the last trick after it has been quit is causing me problems at the moment. I have no doubt that this is a feature that will be available presently (perhaps it is already and I don't know about it). But say there is a connection delay at about the time that the 4th hand is playing to the trick, then I never get to see the card that he has played. The trick is auto-quit and next trick led in a twinkling.

[fred]

1eyedjack, on Aug 25 2007, 10:07 AM, said:

When I am dummy, I don't get to view declarer's hand until after the first card is led to trick 2. Perhaps that is just a delay in the net.

The current inability to review the last trick after it has been quit is causing me problems at the moment. I have no doubt that this is a feature that will be available presently (perhaps it is already and I don't know about it). But say there is a connection delay at about the time that the 4th hand is playing to the trick, then I never get to see the card that he has played. The trick is auto-quit and next trick led in a twinkling.

What you report in the first paragraph is a bug (in hand diagram mode only I think). I have fixed it, but I have not installed a fix yet. Thanks for the report.

You can review the last trick, but the method for doing this in hand diagram mode is not obvious: click on the bar where the contract and the # of tricks taken by each side are listed. If you tried this already and it did not work, please let me know.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

Rossoneri, on Aug 25 2007, 08:57 AM, said:

Minor problem: Switzerland flag was displayed as Macau's. (I happened to click on uschiwho's profile and the macau flag came out but country was displayed as switzerland)

Currently, if a flag for a particular country is not defined, an Olympic flag is used. That is what you are seeing for both Macau and Switzerland. As of now only about 20 flags are defined - you will see an Olympic flag for all other countries.

Eventually all (or almost all) of the flags you see on BBO will be available on BBOTV as well. Remeber that BBOTV is not even considered a "beta" yet so we don't exactly care about things like making sure that all flags are available.

I am expecting that a lot of people are going to find out about BBOTV as a result of the extensive vugraph coverage planned during the World Championships that start at the end of September. I will make sure that the flags of all countries that are participating in that tournament are available then.

If any Forums regulars who have helped with testing would like to see a specific flag appear that is not currently available, let me know. Please limit such requests to your own flags - not flags of other countries that you want to appear in your profile for whatever reason.

It takes me only a minute or so to arrange for a new flag, but I think there is a good chance we will eventually use completely new images for flags (images with higher quality of graphics than the current BBO flags). So I don't really want to get too involved in this right now.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[1eyedjack]

Is the listing of kibitzers supposed to dynamically update as the kibitzers join and leave? Or do you have to click on it to refresh?

At our table, a kibitzer sat in a vacant seat, and was still listed as kibitzer until I refreshed. I would prefer it to update automatically, but perhaps there are constraints in flash to prevent that.

Also, I am not absolutely sure, but I think that if the Kibitzer tab is active, you can only refresh it by clicking on a different tab and then back again. If I have to manually refresh, then it ought to work by just re-clicking on the Kib tab