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Lead vs a slowly bid 3N

Poll: So what? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

So what?

  1. Spade 8 (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

  2. Heart 9 (14 votes [42.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.42%

  3. Heart 4 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Diamond 9 (7 votes [21.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.21%

  5. Club A (4 votes [12.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

  6. Club Q (7 votes [21.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.21%

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#21 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2007-August-18, 17:18

I swear, every time I promise myself I will try to be nice when I post, then I have to put up with these arguments.... you win, I can not argue with your irrefutable logic.
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Posted 2007-August-19, 01:28

Halo, on Aug 19 2007, 12:13 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 18 2007, 04:35 PM, said:

Halo, on Aug 18 2007, 04:18 PM, said:

OK

But you would regard something like:

AKQxx, AKJ,x,K9xx

as out of the question for declarer?

Declarer opened 1 and rebid 2, and your example to justify your lead is a 20 count with three hearts, and even then I don't see how a club lead is setting him. Come on Halo.

Well, I might bid 2H with that hand, and how weak do you think declarer is for his 3NT bid (if he is not just boringly going several off whatever we play.)

But OK we make the hand:

AKQxx, AKJx, x, K9x

and not unreasonably give dummy the diamond KQ and a small doubleton spade. Do you not feel in danger after a heart lead jdonn?

On that layout declarer has 5 tricks and the K in the bag. After winning them he leads a towards dummy. Your partner can win the ace and let you have your 3 tricks. But you'll have to give declarer the last 3 tricks. (The clubs is blocked, you can't get back to partner and the 5th club.)

If you're going to argue you'd better come up wiht counter examples where your lead works.
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Posted 2007-August-19, 13:36

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Posted 2007-August-19, 13:55

Halo, on Aug 19 2007, 02:36 PM, said:

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Lol, I have no idea what this post said before, but seeing this made my day :)
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  Posted 2007-August-19, 14:05

jdonn, on Aug 19 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

Halo, on Aug 19 2007, 02:36 PM, said:

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Lol, I have no idea what this post said before, but seeing this made my day :)

It was another hand where a heart lead takes the contract down, this time exactly as much as a club lead would.
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Posted 2007-August-20, 15:27

jdonn, on Aug 19 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

Halo, on Aug 19 2007, 02:36 PM, said:

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Lol, I have no idea what this post said before, but seeing this made my day ;)

Simple things as they say jdonn.

I decided that after all playing for clubs Kx involves fewer assumptions despite the downside of leading from a long low suit into declarer's holding.

I find that considering different views with an open mind is a quite a good idea.
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