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#1 User is offline   Edmunte1 

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Posted 2007-July-05, 06:48

You hold in second seat, at love all, this rara avis:
Scoring: IMP

and RHO opens 2♦ MULTI (weak in one major or strong NT)

What's your plan for the bird?
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Posted 2007-July-05, 07:13

5NT, I hope that it is right.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-July-05, 07:23

4NT (if it showed minors), planning to raise partner's 5 to 6 next round.
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Posted 2007-July-05, 08:47

cnszsun, on Jul 5 2007, 10:23 PM, said:

4NT (if it showed minors), planning to raise partner's 5 to 6 next round.

yes give up on grands

If 5 NT shows this hand, this is fine too, but I am not sure if pd will understand this. But he surely will understand 4 NT followed by 6 in his minor.
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Posted 2007-July-05, 09:16

5NT.
With ♣A and ♦K partner will definitely bid the grand. I hope he won't with only one of them.....
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Posted 2007-July-05, 10:18

nice hand So 4nt/5nt is std for pick minor game/minor slam after ops open 1M, prempt or as here, artificial2 ?
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Posted 2007-July-05, 16:05

3♦, someone will bid a major next, then 6♣
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Posted 2007-July-05, 19:31

I like the 4N and raise idea.
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Posted 2007-July-06, 01:18

Edmunte1, on Jul 5 2007, 07:48 AM, said:

You hold in second seat, at love all, this rara avis:
Scoring: IMP

and RHO opens 2♦ MULTI (weak in one major or strong NT)

What's your plan for the bird?

4NT for the minors.
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Posted 2007-July-06, 04:12

4NT followed by 5NT, should be grand slam try...
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Posted 2007-July-06, 04:42

Free, on Jul 6 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

4NT followed by 5NT, should be grand slam try...

as is 4 NT followed by a raise, isn´t it?

After all you bid slam opposite a possible non fitting yarb.
So pd with xxx,xxxx,Kx,Axxx will at least think about 7 Club
after the bidding .... 4 NT 5 ♣ 6 ♣
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Posted 2007-July-06, 06:26

4NT followed by 5NT should show a preference for the minor that partner did not bid imo.

Over my 5NT partner might bid 7 with only the club ace, but then we might still make 7.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-July-31, 06:17

Forester work here
i play 4♣ 55+ minor preemptive
4♦ 55+ minor GF
With this hand i bid 4♦ , and after 5♣ or 5♦ bid 5♠
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  Posted 2007-July-31, 07:51

I'm in the 4NT and raise boat too here. I think 5NT is too anti-positional here and leads to easier sacs (heck they may have six of a major on this construction for all I know!)
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Posted 2007-July-31, 08:01

Dbl and cue at the 5-level later.
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Posted 2007-July-31, 08:14

Codo, on Jul 6 2007, 11:42 AM, said:

Free, on Jul 6 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

4NT followed by 5NT, should be grand slam try...

as is 4 NT followed by a raise, isn´t it?

After all you bid slam opposite a possible non fitting yarb.
So pd with xxx,xxxx,Kx,Axxx will at least think about 7 Club
after the bidding .... 4 NT 5 ♣ 6 ♣

Can't you make a distinction between these auctions? I mean, 5NT is slower, so should show an even stronger hand. :huh:
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Posted 2007-July-31, 08:22

Codo, on Jul 6 2007, 12:42 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 6 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

4NT followed by 5NT, should be grand slam try...

as is 4 NT followed by a raise, isn´t it?

After all you bid slam opposite a possible non fitting yarb.
So pd with xxx,xxxx,Kx,Axxx will at least think about 7 Club
after the bidding .... 4 NT 5 ♣ 6 ♣

But if opps compete to the 5-level, 6m may be a competitive bid.

It would be nice to be able to distinguish between a 6m-bid with first-round control in both major suit, and a 6m-bid without. Then again, this is probably not on the top-ten wishlist for gadgets to add to our vanilla bidding system :huh:
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