[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 1♦    Pass  1♠    Pass
 1NT   Pass  2♦    Pass
 Pass  Pass  


What went wrong here?

[ochinko]

North can overcall 1♥ to tell a lead if nothing else. Failing to do that it is impossible to recover in these vulns.

[EricK]

I don't see why South can't bid 2♥ on the second round. Both opponents have limited their hands and they have found a fit. While it is not certain that we have a ♥ fit, it is highly likely.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

South can bid 2H, since he is short
in diamonds, has a 6 carder, and
both oppoennets are limited.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

South has a 2H bid over 2D

[pbleighton]

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South has a 2H bid over 2D

Yes, and in many partnerships, North could have bid 1H the first time.

Peter

[skjaeran]

Some would overcall 1♥ with the north hand (I might), some would make a t/o double with the north hand (I wouldn't). Failing that, I think 2♥ by south over 2♦ is obvious.

[mikeh]

skaeran, on Jul 21 2007, 06:13 AM, said:

Some would overcall 1♥ with the north hand (I might), some would make a t/o double with the north hand (I wouldn't). Failing that, I think 2♥ by south over 2♦ is obvious.

agreed

[helene_t]

Yes, South should have bid 2♥ at his second turn. North could have doubled or bid 1♥ at his first turn, I think it's borderline and would probably have passed.

[ralph23]

♣♦♥♠

I'm not ashamed to overcall 1♥ with North and probably would.

Yea, the shape is gross, I know I know. But my ♥ suit is up to snuff, and I like my AQ of ♦ behind the ♦ opener and I think I'll get a diamond lead if I get to be declarer. If my LHO ends up declarer, I'm not embarrassed by a ♥ lead.

And maybe my LHO was planning to bid 1NT, and maybe he won't be able to over my 1♥ overcall. Thus screwing up their communications a bit.

All in all the plusses seem to outweigh the minuses, so I'm bidding. We just had a l...o...n...g thread in some forum about overcalls on a 4-card suit and this one seems to meet the general consensus formed there IMHO.

[vuroth]

I'm totally comfortable passing as North. After 2♦, I agree that south can throw in a balancing 2♥. If south passes (fearing, maybe, that the bidding might continue???), would north really be crazy to compete to 2♥?

[ralph23]

vuroth, on Jul 21 2007, 12:25 PM, said:

I'm totally comfortable passing as North.  After 2♦, I agree that south can throw in a balancing 2♥.  If south passes (fearing, maybe, that the bidding might continue???), would north really be crazy to compete to 2♥?

You mean, pass by North is right over 1♦, but North should now consider bidding 2♥ (on a 4-card suit) over 1NT, when he already had his chance to speak his mind on round one? "Hey partner, I'm not good enough to make a one level overcall, but I am good enough to overcall at the 2-level !" ??

That can't be right, can it ?

[skjaeran]

ralph23, on Jul 21 2007, 08:21 PM, said:

vuroth, on Jul 21 2007, 12:25 PM, said:

I'm totally comfortable passing as North.  After 2♦, I agree that south can throw in a balancing 2♥.  If south passes (fearing, maybe, that the bidding might continue???), would north really be crazy to compete to 2♥?

You mean, pass by North is right over 1♦, but North should now consider bidding 2♥ (on a 4-card suit) over 1NT, when he already had his chance to speak his mind on round one? "Hey partner, I'm not good enough to make a one level overcall, but I am good enough to overcall at the 2-level !" ??

That can't be right, can it ?

Bidding 2♥ with the north hand over 1NT would indeed be completely crazy, but that surely isn't what vuroth had in mind. He's asking if north might consider balancing with 2♥ in the pass-out seat over 2♦.

That's very agressive, but far from insane. I don't think many would do it at IMPs, but know many who would at least consider it at MP.

[ralph23]

♣♦♥♠

If North's aggressive enough to reopen with a borderline 2♥ in the passout seat, I think he's certainly aggressive enough to make a pretty reasonable 1♥ overcall on his first chance to speak.

I have a hard time imagining the player who would make the reopening but who would keep mum on the first round. Maybe he got Dutch courage between the rounds

4 card overcalls at the one level, when the hand is suitable, have a lot to say for them.

[mike777]

jillybean2, on Jul 21 2007, 12:33 AM, said:

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West  North East  South

 1♦    Pass  1♠    Pass
 1NT   Pass  2♦    Pass
 Pass  Pass  


What went wrong here?

What went wrong?

North forget to bid over 1D. Bid 1H.

Why? With 13 hcp, 2 tens and a decent 4 card major find something to overcall at the one level on if possible. Yes it may be a disaster, youzz pays your money and takes youzz chances. This is a good example of a minimum vul hand for this.