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4♠ 4NT 6♠ Pass
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comments please I bid 4NT two places to play
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Posted 2007-July-19, 14:51
was this sensible
West North East South
4♠ 4NT 6♠ Pass
Pass Dbl Pass Pass
Pass
West North East South
4♠ 4NT 6♠ Pass
Pass Dbl Pass Pass
Pass
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Posted 2007-July-19, 14:55
Well bid by everyone except East, 6S is ridiculous.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 15:18
cherdano, on Jul 19 2007, 03:55 PM, said:
Well bid by everyone except East, 6S is ridiculous.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 15:48
I don't know about the final double. If you believe the 6S bidder, one of your aces may not cash and your DK may not be well placed.
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
Change East's hand to:
AQxx
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AQJxxx
Qxx
The 6S call still is kind of silly, but it would be unbeatable.
And don't tell me that your partner will bid after you double 6S (or in direct seat over 6S, for that matter).
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
Change East's hand to:
AQxx
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AQJxxx
Qxx
The 6S call still is kind of silly, but it would be unbeatable.
And don't tell me that your partner will bid after you double 6S (or in direct seat over 6S, for that matter).
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Posted 2007-July-19, 16:02
ArtK78, on Jul 19 2007, 04:48 PM, said:
And don't tell me that your partner will bid after you double 6S (or in direct seat over 6S, for that matter).
I thought the double just showed extra offensive strength.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 16:26
ArtK78, on Jul 19 2007, 03:48 PM, said:
I don't know about the final double. If you believe the 6S bidder, one of your aces may not cash and your DK may not be well placed.
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
I would agree with you, except that opponents are at favourable. It could still be right to pass, but double isn't unreasonable.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 18:47
ArtK78, on Jul 19 2007, 04:48 PM, said:
I don't know about the final double. If you believe the 6S bidder, one of your aces may not cash and your DK may not be well placed.
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
Change East's hand to:
AQxx
---
AQJxxx
Qxx
The 6S call still is kind of silly, but it would be unbeatable.
And don't tell me that your partner will bid after you double 6S (or in direct seat over 6S, for that matter).
Clearly, you were right to double on this hand, as the 6S bidder was out of his mind. But how often does that happen?
Change East's hand to:
AQxx
---
AQJxxx
Qxx
The 6S call still is kind of silly, but it would be unbeatable.
And don't tell me that your partner will bid after you double 6S (or in direct seat over 6S, for that matter).
That leaves partner with 8 hearts (and negative two spades). There are also two queens of spades.
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Posted 2007-July-20, 01:08
I agree with Justin that double is preferable.
You are correct that 4NT is a takeout bid, almost always based on a 2-suited hand.
However the vulnerability is unfavourable. A good rule is never to save when you are vulnerable and they are not, so when you bid 4NT here you should have a high level confidence that the final contract will make.
In this instance you do not have that confidence. Your suits are relatively poor and partner must have points in the right places.
Your defensive values are also good.
All this points towards a double. Partner will pass this and you will concede -590 (maybe more if East redoubles). Interestingly this is what I (and Justin) think is good bridge
You are correct that 4NT is a takeout bid, almost always based on a 2-suited hand.
However the vulnerability is unfavourable. A good rule is never to save when you are vulnerable and they are not, so when you bid 4NT here you should have a high level confidence that the final contract will make.
In this instance you do not have that confidence. Your suits are relatively poor and partner must have points in the right places.
Your defensive values are also good.
All this points towards a double. Partner will pass this and you will concede -590 (maybe more if East redoubles). Interestingly this is what I (and Justin) think is good bridge
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