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#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2007-July-17, 12:46

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In a team game, Benito Garozzo was South on this deal in 7 spades, and received a spade lead.

Benito only made 12 tricks, while the declarer in the other room in the same contract and same lead made the contract.

Can you explain why Benito did not make the contract?

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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:15

More interesting is: Who were the brilliant EW?
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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:23

Maybe he was watching a movie during play or he was tired.

I see some problems for entry in dummy hand however you need only one finnese to take if you trump out first and run hearts discard a d or a c..
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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:35

West overcalled two hearts?
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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:50

Did he run all spades, then ♦AK and ♣A hoping ♣K with 4 ♥'s offside ?
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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:52

I'm terrible at this... But might as well guess.

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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:55

hotShot, on Jul 17 2007, 02:15 PM, said:

More interesting is: Who were the brilliant EW?

Kantar-Eisenberg?
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Posted 2007-July-17, 13:58

Trumpace, on Jul 17 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Contract 7♠


In a team game, Benito Garozzo was South on this deal in 7 spades, and received a spade lead.

Benito only made 12 tricks, while the declarer in the other room in the same contract and same lead made the contract.

Can you explain why Benito did not make the contract?

Adv/Adv+ please hide your answers.

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Posted 2007-July-17, 14:35

Because 75 is bigger than 50 !

The critical minor honors are split in one of four ways: both on the left, both on the right, King on right/Queen on left, King on left/Queen on right.

So the odds are about 75% (or maybe 68%) that the hand with the long ♥ also holds at least one of the critical minor suit honors ... it doesn't matter which one. Obviously the hand with the long ♥ (assuming he has exactly 4♥) can't possibly discard a ♥.

[n1: Calculating the actual odds is an interesting proposition. The hand with the long ♥ can have anything from the wild distribution of 4♠, 7♥ and two minor suit cards (greating reducing the chance that he holds a critical honor), to zero ♠, 4♥ and 9 minor suit cards (giving him 9 slots out of a total of 15 EW minor suit cards). Other than tediously computing each permutation, I don't know how you would calculate it.
n2: The long ♥ hand could have 5+ ♥, so discarding a ♥ by him is not clearly wrong.]

So Benito reasons as follows: After nine tricks, the long ♥ hand must come down to four cards. He can't continue to hold his 4 ♥ and the minor honor: he must part with one.

So: First, I take three rounds of trumps. Now, as part 2 of this 4-part movement, cash the AK of ♦ and the A of ♣. This will make it easy to read on the squeeze card.

Now, part 3, cash the final three trumps. On the last trump, the long ♥ hand will be squeezed (if the cards are arranged as I hope). I don't have to count or do anything as it is 100% mechanical .... I just notice whether, after trick nine, anyone has discarded either minor suit honor. Therefore, in part 4: If so, I cash my good minor honor, and if not, I try to run four ♥ tricks.

NB - You can reverse parts 2 & 3 if you like. Difference is aesthetic only.
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Posted 2007-July-17, 14:38

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Posted 2007-July-17, 14:52

By playing AK♦ before taking the ♣finesse, you improve your success rate a little. There is no need to take 2 finesses because of the heart discard.

5-2 with Q drop = 9%
6-1 with Q drop = 1%
call it around 10%

0.1 + (0.9 * 50% = .45) = 55% chance of success

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Posted 2007-July-17, 14:52

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Posted 2007-July-17, 14:55

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Posted 2007-July-17, 15:21

Trumpace, on Jul 17 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

Can you explain why Benito did not make the contract?

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Because he played the superior line which didn't work on the actual layout. Sometimes inferior lines work on the lay of the cards. Others have given the answer involving ignoring the finessees and why, so I will not repeat it.
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Posted 2007-July-17, 16:06

Isn't this hand straight out of 'Bridge with the Blue Team' ?
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Posted 2007-July-17, 17:02

FrancesHinden, on Jul 17 2007, 05:06 PM, said:

Isn't this hand straight out of 'Bridge with the Blue Team' ?

Yes, that is true.
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Posted 2007-July-18, 06:40

It seems to me that there is another line where the odds are something like 75% in succeeding, that would have made as the cards lie.

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Posted 2007-July-18, 07:53

enuf hiding....

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2. If west guards hearts and
both minors then west is squeezed =100% 
clubs only then you have a 50% guess       
diamonds only ditto =50%                         
neither minor then east is squeezed =100% 

If west guards hearts and diam, you must cash ♣A to squeeze West and you won't know West is squeezed until you try cashing the hearts. So for the squeeze to work, after running the spades, you must cash your 3 minor honors before trying the hearts. You can't try the hearts first, because you won't know what to pitch on the 3rd heart.

Sorry... I don't see any way you can combine the squeeze and a finesse. It looks like an either/or situation. And the squeeze is higher probability than a finesse.
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Posted 2007-July-18, 10:47

SoTired, on Jul 18 2007, 08:53 AM, said:

enuf hiding....

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2. If west guards hearts and
both minors then west is squeezed =100%  
clubs only then you have a 50% guess        
diamonds only ditto =50%                          
neither minor then east is squeezed =100% 

If west guards hearts and diam, you must cash ♣A to squeeze West and you won't know West is squeezed until you try cashing the hearts. So for the squeeze to work, after running the spades, you must cash your 3 minor honors before trying the hearts. You can't try the hearts first, because you won't know what to pitch on the 3rd heart.

Sorry... I don't see any way you can combine the squeeze and a finesse. It looks like an either/or situation. And the squeeze is higher probability than a finesse.

You dont need to "know" what to pitch on the 3rd heart, necessarily.

I think that by reducing to a 5 card ending (after 6 spades and 2 diamonds),

- Ax J AQ opposite - KQxx - x

and then cashing 3 hearts, you are likely to have a better idea what to do when at trick 12, you lead the club from the table (having pitched the diamond J on the 3rd heart).

In some cases, East (or West) will have already solved this problem for you, because they have truly been squeezed. In other cases, the club K will come up when you lead the club from the table (if East held both minor suit cards, he has been forced to ditch the diamond Q or blank the club K at this point).

It is only when West holds the club K and East the diamond Q, that you have to decide whether to finesse the K or play for the drop of it. Its still a guess at this point, but you may have a better count on the hand by this point. Personally, I would think it best to finesse at this point as East has room for two cards (Kx of clubs), as opposed to West being known to still hold a heart, leaving room for only one card (the diamond Q or the club K).

In all other cases, I think it is irrelevant. Either you already have it made (whether you know it or not), or you were always going down.

But...its lunchtime, I'm hungry and not looking at this closely either, so I could be wrong. :)
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Posted 2007-July-22, 15:29

Trumpace, on Jul 17 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

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Contract 7♠


In a team game, Benito Garozzo was South on this deal in 7 spades, and received a spade lead.

Benito only made 12 tricks, while the declarer in the other room in the same contract and same lead made the contract.

Can you explain why Benito did not make the contract?

Adv/Adv+ please hide your answers.

My guess is he runs the spades leaving at least one club or one diamond in the dummy, takes his ace of hearts ace of diamonds and crosses to hearts in the dummy and plays a few rounds of hearts hoping for something good to shake out?
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