BBO Discussion Forums: opening - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

opening

Poll: what do you open? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

what do you open?

  1. 1D (10 votes [27.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.03%

  2. 2nt (7 votes [18.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.92%

  3. 2C (18 votes [48.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

  4. other (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,728
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2007-July-14, 08:06

Scoring: MP

p p p ?

“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
0

#2 User is offline   pbleighton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,153
  • Joined: 2003-February-28

Posted 2007-July-14, 08:20

2C. You have a 21 hcp one suiter which is worth an upgrade.

Opposite a passed hand, I plan to rebid 2NT over the expected 2D.

Peter
0

#3 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,072
  • Joined: 2005-March-18
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2007-July-14, 08:30

1D, the alternative being 2NT, but
I dont like offshape openings.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
0

#4 User is offline   jtfanclub 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,937
  • Joined: 2004-June-05

Posted 2007-July-14, 10:12

jillybean2, on Jul 14 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

p p p ?

I open 2NT, because I hate 2 clubs, and avoid it whenever possible. This one might qualify as an exception, though.

At any rate, I'll never be able to show this hand after 1 diamond, and I risk wrongsiding 3NT.
0

#5 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,725
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2007-July-14, 10:42

This is an ugly hand.

One thing that I don't do is open 2NT. I don't have problems with the shape, however, I think that the hand is way too strong for a 20-21 HCP 2NT opening.

1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.
Alderaan delenda est
0

#6 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2007-July-14, 10:58

Quote

1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.


I would try 3NT after that. This one is 1♦ for me. These hands are problematic in standard. Live with it. Whatever choice you make is going to haunt you.

My style is to simply open on the 1-level, at least I've shown my suit.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#7 User is offline   helene_t 

  • The Abbess
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,401
  • Joined: 2004-April-22
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Odense, Denmark
  • Interests:History, languages

Posted 2007-July-14, 12:00

2♣ followed by 2n. Easy and does not help opps.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
0

#8 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2007-July-14, 12:08

helene_t, on Jul 14 2007, 10:00 AM, said:

2♣ followed by 2n. Easy and does not help opps.

This seems like a good practical solution to me.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#9 User is offline   Echognome 

  • Deipnosophist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,386
  • Joined: 2005-March-22

Posted 2007-July-14, 14:54

I'm also 2♣ followed by 2NT. I don't see how 1♦ then 3NT over 1♠ shows this hand at all. Partner is never going to consider spades after a 3NT rebid.
"Half the people you know are below average." - Steven Wright
0

#10 User is offline   1eyedjack 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,575
  • Joined: 2004-March-12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK

Posted 2007-July-14, 15:09

At the table I probably open it 2NT (21-22) so that is how I voted. Given that it is presented as a problem it is probably right to open 2C.

I feel that I have some pretty strong continuations over 2NT, and feel a bit weak at my 2C continuations, so that may influence my decision. That said, the hand really is worth 2C I think.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
0

#11 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,483
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2007-July-14, 15:17

hrothgar, on Jul 14 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

This is an ugly hand.

One thing that I don't do is open 2NT. I don't have problems with the shape, however, I think that the hand is way too strong for a 20-21 HCP 2NT opening.

1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.

What he said. Including the regret.
0

#12 User is offline   Walddk 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,190
  • Joined: 2003-September-30
  • Location:London, England
  • Interests:Cricket

Posted 2007-July-14, 15:57

Minority 1♦ for me. No, I am not worried about missing a game if partner passes (happens once in a million years; all pass *and* a game missed that is). I have continuations for any 1MA response, but that is not the topic.

Roland
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice
0

#13 Guest_Jlall_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 2007-July-14, 16:20

2C then 2N doesnt seem like enough if partner is going to pass (since we make game opposite a 4 trip yarb), but if hes going to make slam tries it's definitely enough so that's what I'll choose.. Hopefully he has a way to show a double negative immediately.
0

#14 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,728
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2007-July-14, 22:49


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  Pass  2♣    Pass
 2♦    Pass  3♦    Pass
 3♥    Pass  3NT   Pass
 Pass  Pass  

Here's the full hand, 3nt did make here but I think I should have gone down.
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
0

#15 User is offline   ochinko 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 647
  • Joined: 2004-May-27
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Cooking

Posted 2007-July-15, 02:02

I don't see why you should have gone down. Any lead but a heart presents you with the ninth trick, and the heart lead is anything but obvious.

A club lead would give the defense a second chance to find the heart switch, but still not easy for South.
0

#16 User is offline   neilkaz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,568
  • Joined: 2006-June-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Barrington IL USA
  • Interests:Backgammon, Bridge, Hockey

Posted 2007-July-15, 19:52

2♣ then 2NT for me with this hand that has too much potential to open just 2NT and I fear 1♦ may be passed out when game is cold. Also my 2♣ may get us to slam if PD has a near max for his pass. Hopefully we have the mechanisms to find a ♦ slam after 2NT or 2♣ followed by 2NT openings should that play better than NT.

.. neilkaz ..
0

#17 User is online   mike777 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 18,080
  • Joined: 2003-October-07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2007-July-15, 19:59


0

#18 User is offline   foo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,380
  • Joined: 2003-September-24

Posted 2007-July-15, 22:41

3N by EW is cold regardless of who declares it.

In fact, if the defense stubbornly plays 3 rounds of H's to start with, EW will take 10 tricks instead of 9.
Even if W declares.
0

#19 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,728
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2007-July-15, 23:06

mike777, on Jul 15 2007, 06:59 PM, said:

One more example to worry less about some fancy bidding and for both of us to improve our card play. :)

I wasn't so happy with the 3♦ bid, I'd hate for partner to rasie ♦'s and bypass 3nt.

Play problems are easy to review myself using double dummy, that is why you only
see my bidding disasters :)
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
0

#20 User is offline   ochinko 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 647
  • Joined: 2004-May-27
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Cooking

Posted 2007-July-16, 01:43

Yes, I stand corrected. It always makes.
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users