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Poll: what do you open? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

what do you open?

  1. 1D (10 votes [27.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.03%

  2. 2nt (7 votes [18.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.92%

  3. 2C (18 votes [48.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

  4. other (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

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Posted 2007-July-14, 08:06

Scoring: MP

p p p ?

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Posted 2007-July-14, 08:20

2C. You have a 21 hcp one suiter which is worth an upgrade.

Opposite a passed hand, I plan to rebid 2NT over the expected 2D.

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Posted 2007-July-14, 08:30

1D, the alternative being 2NT, but
I dont like offshape openings.

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Posted 2007-July-14, 10:12

jillybean2, on Jul 14 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

p p p ?

I open 2NT, because I hate 2 clubs, and avoid it whenever possible. This one might qualify as an exception, though.

At any rate, I'll never be able to show this hand after 1 diamond, and I risk wrongsiding 3NT.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 10:42

This is an ugly hand.

One thing that I don't do is open 2NT. I don't have problems with the shape, however, I think that the hand is way too strong for a 20-21 HCP 2NT opening.

1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 10:58

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1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.


I would try 3NT after that. This one is 1♦ for me. These hands are problematic in standard. Live with it. Whatever choice you make is going to haunt you.

My style is to simply open on the 1-level, at least I've shown my suit.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 12:00

2♣ followed by 2n. Easy and does not help opps.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 12:08

helene_t, on Jul 14 2007, 10:00 AM, said:

2♣ followed by 2n. Easy and does not help opps.

This seems like a good practical solution to me.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 14:54

I'm also 2♣ followed by 2NT. I don't see how 1♦ then 3NT over 1♠ shows this hand at all. Partner is never going to consider spades after a 3NT rebid.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 15:09

At the table I probably open it 2NT (21-22) so that is how I voted. Given that it is presented as a problem it is probably right to open 2C.

I feel that I have some pretty strong continuations over 2NT, and feel a bit weak at my 2C continuations, so that may influence my decision. That said, the hand really is worth 2C I think.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 15:17

hrothgar, on Jul 14 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

This is an ugly hand.

One thing that I don't do is open 2NT. I don't have problems with the shape, however, I think that the hand is way too strong for a 20-21 HCP 2NT opening.

1♦ also strikes me as problematic. I don't have a good rebid over 1♠. I think that I am (regretfully) planning to open 2♣.

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Posted 2007-July-14, 15:57

Minority 1♦ for me. No, I am not worried about missing a game if partner passes (happens once in a million years; all pass *and* a game missed that is). I have continuations for any 1MA response, but that is not the topic.

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Posted 2007-July-14, 16:20

2C then 2N doesnt seem like enough if partner is going to pass (since we make game opposite a 4 trip yarb), but if hes going to make slam tries it's definitely enough so that's what I'll choose.. Hopefully he has a way to show a double negative immediately.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 22:49


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  Pass  2♣    Pass
 2♦    Pass  3♦    Pass
 3♥    Pass  3NT   Pass
 Pass  Pass  

Here's the full hand, 3nt did make here but I think I should have gone down.
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Posted 2007-July-15, 02:02

I don't see why you should have gone down. Any lead but a heart presents you with the ninth trick, and the heart lead is anything but obvious.

A club lead would give the defense a second chance to find the heart switch, but still not easy for South.
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Posted 2007-July-15, 19:52

2♣ then 2NT for me with this hand that has too much potential to open just 2NT and I fear 1♦ may be passed out when game is cold. Also my 2♣ may get us to slam if PD has a near max for his pass. Hopefully we have the mechanisms to find a ♦ slam after 2NT or 2♣ followed by 2NT openings should that play better than NT.

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Posted 2007-July-15, 19:59


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Posted 2007-July-15, 22:41

3N by EW is cold regardless of who declares it.

In fact, if the defense stubbornly plays 3 rounds of H's to start with, EW will take 10 tricks instead of 9.
Even if W declares.
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Posted 2007-July-15, 23:06

mike777, on Jul 15 2007, 06:59 PM, said:

One more example to worry less about some fancy bidding and for both of us to improve our card play. :)

I wasn't so happy with the 3♦ bid, I'd hate for partner to rasie ♦'s and bypass 3nt.

Play problems are easy to review myself using double dummy, that is why you only
see my bidding disasters :)
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Posted 2007-July-16, 01:43

Yes, I stand corrected. It always makes.
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