[Poky]

Responder:
♠Q10xxx
♥K
♦Jxx
♣7xxx

Opener:
♠KJ
♥AQxxxxx
♦Ax
♣AQ

You are playing 2/1 without semi-forcing openings (2♣=GF, 2♦=multi, 2M=two-suiter)

1♥ - 1♠
3♣ - Pass

[inquiry]

Plenty of blame to go around on this hand. Opener's "creative" 3♣ rebid has nothing to recommend it other than it is forcing (and can lead to embarrashment---see second auction below). And north's pass of a forcing bid is hardly going to garner a lot of sympathy for his choice. although he can not take preference back to ♥'s on this auction. Best among a lot of poor choices is a 3♠ rebid or a 4♣ raise.

So I rate the blame roughly equal, South for a silly jump to 3♣ to "establish a force" and North for passing the "force" that south tried to establish.

This doesn't say how the bidding should go if you are less creative. After partner had enough hcp to respond, I would simply bid 4♥ with the south hand... I mean after 3♣ you could likely end up in 5♥ on something like....

1♥ - 1♠
3♣ - 4♣
4♥ - 5♣
5♥ - pass

And we would be back here trying to rate the blame between rather or not bidding 5♣ with a stiff ♥ and four ♣'s was "right" or "wrong."

[hotShot]

Hi!

Opener should rebid 4 ♥, that the contract he wants to play.
If Partner is much stronger than minimum, he will find a bid.

Have a nice day
hotShot

[bearmum]

well first 3♣seems a funny thing to bid to establish a force

AND a PASS over a forcing bid should be forbidden as responder has NO idea what partner has--- with the given hand I would bid 4♣

BUT with opener's hand I would bid 4♥(crossing my fingers all the while )

[bearmum]

of course I meant 3 ♣by opener was a strange bid and I would have bid 4♣ by resoponer

[luis]

100% responder.
Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking.

Now responder passed a forcing bid, if that was intentional then he should be told "do it again and you will have to find a new pd". The #1 rule for a partnership is respect, if a bid is forcing you can't pass. Even when pass is the only bid that leads to a reasonable result you must bid.

[inquiry]

luis, on Jan 22 2004, 08:01 AM, said:

100% responder.
Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking.
.

Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer).

[luis]

inquiry, on Jan 22 2004, 01:23 PM, said:

luis, on Jan 22 2004, 08:01 AM, said:

100% responder.
Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking.
.

Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer).

What the hell is a 3c rebid ?
This partnership should see a psychoanalist, opener jump rebids on a doubleton and responder passes a forcing bid ?
Blame the gods that made this two psychos play together.

[inquiry]

luis, on Jan 22 2004, 09:47 AM, said:

What the hell is a 3c rebid ?
This partnership should see a psychoanalist, opener jump rebids on a doubleton and responder passes a forcing bid ?
Blame the gods that made this two psychos play together.

Hehehe, my point exactly, which is why I voted 50% for each, while wishing there was a 100% for each option. :-)

[Gerardo]

inquiry, on Jan 22 2004, 10:23 AM, said:

Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer).

In some of the previous posts, provided

[COLOR=green]♣[/COLOR]

was changed to

[COLOR=black]♣[/COLOR]

Now I changed the provided definition to be

[COLOR=lime]♣[/COLOR]

which is lighter than the previous definition.

• Black: ♣
  
• Green: ♣
  
• Lime: ♣

[Free]

IMO, they both made mistakes, but the responder the most: 75% of responder. 3♣ is ABSOLUTELY forcing, so pass is out of the question. He should bid 3♦ imo, partner will bid 3♠ if he has a 3 card and no stop in ♦. Responder has 4 card ♣ (should be a fit) and ♥K...

BTW, I don't like the "lime-color" at all!!! The green is more efficient.

[Trpltrbl]

Passing a forcing bid Sometimes you have to be somewhat creativeand if you play with a pd who doesn't get that, you have a problem. It's almost like passing a forcing 2 opening. But that's what you get if you find your pd's at a pdship desk

Mike