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Battling Preempts-2

Poll: YOUR CHOICE (34 member(s) have cast votes)

YOUR CHOICE

  1. 3D (4 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  2. 4D (15 votes [44.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.12%

  3. 5D (11 votes [32.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.35%

  4. PREFER DIRECT 3D OVER 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. OTHER (4 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

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#1 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2007-June-27, 13:04

Scoring: MP

(3C)=P=P=X
P=?


Your choice and why?
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Posted 2007-June-27, 13:14

Hmmmm...I suppose it makes me crazy to consider 4♣, intending to pass 4♠.

Moysians don't scare me none!

(second choice: bid 3♦ the first time)
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Posted 2007-June-27, 13:28

I'd try 5♦
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Posted 2007-June-27, 13:30

jtfanclub, on Jun 27 2007, 02:14 PM, said:

Hmmmm...I suppose it makes me crazy to consider 4♣, intending to pass 4♠.

yes...
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Posted 2007-June-27, 13:58

Hi,

it is 4D vs. 5D, 4D gives partner the chance to
show his 6 card mayor, and it gives him the
chance to check out, the downside, we may
make 4D+1.

And yes, I agree with pass the first time.

No question about that.

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Posted 2007-June-27, 14:06

P_Marlowe, on Jun 27 2007, 02:58 PM, said:

Hi,

it is 4D vs. 5D, 4D gives partner the chance to
show his 6 card mayor

6?! And I'm crazy for hoping partner has a 5 card major?

Maybe I just don't understand what 4♣ shows from a passed hand.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 14:24

jtfanclub, on Jun 27 2007, 03:06 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 27 2007, 02:58 PM, said:

Hi,

it is 4D vs. 5D, 4D gives partner the chance to
show his 6 card mayor

6?! And I'm crazy for hoping partner has a 5 card major?

Maybe I just don't understand what 4♣ shows from a passed hand.

The cue shows both mayor, but
you have a suit worth showing.

You are a tad too weak direct 3D,
because this will get you to 3NT-X to
often, but you have to show the suit.

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Posted 2007-June-27, 14:56

5♦ seems like a reasonable shot. I might have overcalled 3♦ the 1st time.

Odd; pard is reopening with a double and LHO didn't raise so I'm wondering where all the clubs are.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 15:05

Although I think 4D describes the hand nicely, I would probably bid 5D at IMP's.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2007-June-27, 15:28

bid_em_up, on Jun 27 2007, 09:05 PM, said:

Although I think 4D describes the hand nicely, I would probably bid 5D at IMP's.

Kinda like what I think too... but wouldn't be so quick to bid 5.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 18:01

I'm going to go out on a limb and see if my table feel is 'on' today... mmmm.... my sense is that a quiet 3♠ is enough. Any more, and if he has, say, a typical double (mmmm.... I'd guess a typical double looks a bit like AKxxx AQ10x 10 AJx, altho, in a pinch he might be missing a red 10)... and he might get us too high.. slam has a play, but it's not great after the preempt.

No way am I bidding any number of diamonds... I've seen far too many reopening doubles on 5413 shape!


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Posted 2007-June-27, 18:31

Wow I'm the only one who is that negative about this hand? I mean, partner is in pass out seat, so may be lighter than usual. Partner must have a monster to make 4 or even 5♦ imo, so 3♦ will be enough...
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Posted 2007-June-27, 18:45

Free, on Jun 27 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

Wow I'm the only one who is that negative about this hand? I mean, partner is in pass out seat, so may be lighter than usual. Partner must have a monster to make 4 or even 5♦ imo, so 3♦ will be enough...

ATxx Axxxx Ax xx is a monster? I can't imagine bidding 3♦. I don't know whether I would bid 4♦ or 5♦, as I have seen the other hand.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 19:40

Looks like a boring 5♦ to me
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Posted 2007-June-27, 19:43

cherdano, on Jun 28 2007, 01:45 AM, said:

Free, on Jun 27 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

Wow I'm the only one who is that negative about this hand?  I mean, partner is in pass out seat, so may be lighter than usual.  Partner must have a monster to make 4 or even 5♦ imo, so 3♦ will be enough...

ATxx Axxxx Ax xx is a monster? I can't imagine bidding 3♦. I don't know whether I would bid 4♦ or 5♦, as I have seen the other hand.

Anything else than aces is rather useless... How can you know :)
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Posted 2007-June-27, 19:58

Free, on Jun 27 2007, 07:31 PM, said:

Wow I'm the only one who is that negative about this hand? I mean, partner is in pass out seat, so may be lighter than usual. Partner must have a monster to make 4 or even 5♦ imo, so 3♦ will be enough...

I'm with you Free. My partners will strive to balance with a lighter than usual double in 4th seat. Except for my nice diamond suit, my hand is a soft 9 count with no controls - worse than partner is playing me for as a PH on this sequence. 3♦ seems like enough for me. Give partner a reasonable balancing X like this:

AKxx
QJxxx
xxx
x

and 3♦ seems like plenty after they take the 4 top tricks.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 20:19

I will try 4C and pass 4S, if I am not fortunate enough to see 4S I bid 5D and hope 4C has not promissed 4S.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 02:31

Free, on Jun 28 2007, 12:31 AM, said:

Wow I'm the only one who is that negative about this hand? I mean, partner is in pass out seat, so may be lighter than usual. Partner must have a monster to make 4 or even 5♦ imo, so 3♦ will be enough...

you reopen weaker than most. With my reopening style I wouldn't bid 5♦ also.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 02:44

4♦ - in case partner is strong you dont shut out slam this way.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 02:52

My 4C bid would be a transfer to D - which pretty much describes my hand
(extra D but unwilling to punish partner for his balance)...and leaves him room to do more (new suit now from him is very strong and forcing!!).

Had my D been headed by AK, I would certainly commit to at least game - even AQJ I think.
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