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#1 User is offline   firmit 

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Posted 2007-June-24, 13:51

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♠ x
♥ xxx
♦ K10xx
♣ Jxxxx

(4♥)-p-(p)-X
(p) - ?
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Posted 2007-June-24, 14:21

5♣
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Posted 2007-June-24, 14:42

gwnn, on Jun 24 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

5♣

That, or 4NT has some merits.
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Posted 2007-June-24, 14:42

4NT
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Posted 2007-June-24, 16:25

Pass.

Yes I know I have 9 minor suit cards, but taking 4 tricks seems easier than taking 11. I also have an easy opening lead.
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Posted 2007-June-24, 19:52

gwnn, on Jun 24 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

5♣

How can this be better than 4NT? It has to be a choice between 4NT and pass. I would pass but I'm not as enthusiastic about its chances of working as lots of people seem to be.
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Posted 2007-June-24, 21:46

4N, "Pick a 5m pd."
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Posted 2007-June-25, 01:19

4NT, would pass if it was a direct double.
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Posted 2007-June-25, 08:06

jdonn, on Jun 25 2007, 03:52 AM, said:

gwnn, on Jun 24 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

5♣

How can this be better than 4NT? It has to be a choice between 4NT and pass. I would pass but I'm not as enthusiastic about its chances of working as lots of people seem to be.

4NT seems better, yep. More flexible and all. oops.
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Posted 2007-June-25, 09:05

Pass, there seem to be 18 total trumps.
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Posted 2007-June-25, 09:06

Agree with Josh, pass 1st choice, 4NT second.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-June-25, 10:30

4NT
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Posted 2007-June-25, 10:32

Another 4NTer here. Why guess when you can get it right? :D
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Posted 2007-June-25, 10:43

What is the vulnerability? I probably pass anyway as suggested by LOTT. Note that the issue is minimizing the loss--for a balancing double, pard is counting on me for 9-10 points and I don't have them. If he has substantial extras where 5m is in no jeopardy, they may well go for more than the game.
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Posted 2007-June-25, 11:02

4NT.

Whether pass or 4NT is right depends on your agreed style of take-out double.
What you can't agree (successfully) is that double can be anything between of
i) a 4333 16-count
and
ii) a 4054 10-count

if the latter is allowed, I bid.
if the former is allowed, I pass.

usually I am in the 'latter' camp, though I have one partner who likes to play double of a NV pre-empt as mainly for penalties (strong balanced)
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Posted 2007-June-26, 03:03

FrancesHinden, on Jun 25 2007, 05:02 PM, said:

What you can't agree (successfully) is that double can be anything between of
i) a 4333 16-count
and
ii) a 4054 10-count

if the latter is allowed, I bid.
if the former is allowed, I pass.

Very true.

I remember one hand from Lantaron who passed a vulnerable 4♠ opening with 19 balanced, he scored the expected +200 wich won 7 IMPs against the -100 at the other table in 5m.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 07:34

4NT , this seems like a non problem to me, I can't understand passing at all. It is quite possible to have an easy minor suit game when 4H might not be damaged. One other huge factor in favor of bidding, it at least gives your side a chance to reach a slam.
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  Posted 2007-June-26, 13:00

I pass. My hand doesn't offer much in terms of an 11 trick contract.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 14:30

I wouldn't rely on the LOTT to be much help here. Opener's announcement of a suit that is anywhere from 7-9 (or 10!) cards in length reduces the accuracy of any LOTT analysis.

I agree with Frances that one needs to have some definition to the double, altho I suspect that most of us, in most of our partnerships, don't.

My gut sense is to bid opposite my usual partners, and I choose 4N. If partner is 4=1=5=3, for example, there is a good chance that we can avoid a close double, and the 9 card fit may play a trick (or 2) better than the 8 carder.
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