[kgr]

MP's; West/None Vul
(3♦)-4♠-(5♦)-??
xxx-Kxxxx-Kx-Qxx
DBL, 5♠, Pass? (I guess pass can't be forcing here).

[iggygork]

Double. They got me.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

Take away the King of diamonds, and what
do you have, not even the stuff partner can
expect.

And pass is nonforcing.
It maybe different, if partner did bid 4S red vs. green,
but not at green all.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hatchett]

5♠.

A jump to 4♠ should show a good hand. Something like AKJxxxx Ax x Kxx offers
very good play in 5♠.

[skjaeran]

5♠. 4♠ shows a strong hand. If my minor suit lenghts were reversed I'd have absolutely no doubt about bidding. Now I'm not more than 85% sure it's correct to bid.

[pbleighton]

5S. As others have said, 4S shows a great hand for declaring spades.

Peter

[pclayton]

I'm a 5♠ bidder too. If it goes down, we'll have a chat about 4♠ actually shows.

[jdonn]

I absolutely think pass should be forcing here, which would make this an obvious pass. And I'm someone who rarely thinks passes should be forcing. Partner bid game to make, and even if they may be hoping to make their bid is almost always intended as a sacrifice. I should say if I knew pass wasn't forcing for my partnership I would bid 5♠.

[foo]

jdonn, on Jun 21 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

I absolutely think pass should be forcing here, which would make this an obvious pass. And I'm someone who rarely thinks passes should be forcing. Partner bid game to make, and even if they may be hoping to make their bid is almost always intended as a sacrifice. I should say if I knew pass wasn't forcing for my partnership I would bid 5♠.

100% agree.

[Fluffy]

5♠, I think pass should be played as forcing, but I don't have that agreement.

[whereagles]

Dbl, and I don't think pass should be forcing.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Jun 21 2007, 11:16 PM, said:

I absolutely think pass should be forcing here, which would make this an obvious pass. And I'm someone who rarely thinks passes should be forcing. Partner bid game to make, and even if they may be hoping to make their bid is almost always intended as a sacrifice. I should say if I knew pass wasn't forcing for my partnership I would bid 5♠.

I agree pass should be forcing here.
But I have no intention to defend here, and I am not strong enough for pass-and-pull. So i stick to 5♠.

[kgr]

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

[skjaeran]

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

[jdonn]

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 02:34 AM, said:

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

Well the bidder probably had more than that, else how was 5♠ making.

[Fluffy]

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 07:34 AM, said:

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

This is a style issue, IMO the difference between 3♠ and 4♠ is only the lack or alternative contracts. Its not a preemptive, it is bid to make, but doesn't wanna defend nor play in another suit.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Jun 23 2007, 05:06 PM, said:

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 02:34 AM, said:

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

Well the bidder probably had more than that, else how was 5♠ making.

He never said 5♠ made - 5♦x did make.

[kgr]

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 08:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 23 2007, 05:06 PM, said:

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 02:34 AM, said:

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

Well the bidder probably had more than that, else how was 5♠ making.

He never said 5♠ made - 5♦x did make.

right; 5♠ didn't make, but was best contract

[P_Marlowe]

skaeran, on Jun 23 2007, 02:34 AM, said:

kgr, on Jun 23 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers.
5♠ seems to be the popular choice.
I DBL'ed and 5♦ made.
partner had 8card ♠: ♠AKQxxxxx and ♥Q..

That's not even close to a 4♠ bid. You don't preempt over a preempt. He should have bid 3♠.

Depends, I think 4S is fine, you have 8 tricks
and the Queen of hearts (1/4 - 1/2)-trick,
you can expect partner to hold 10HCP (half of the
missing deck), i.e. you have a fair chance that
4S is making, I would bid 4S every day.

Partner will never play you for such a hand and
raise you with 2 tricks, because he has no fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would even bid 4S without the Q of hearts, I simply
repeat, you have barely what partner can expect on average,
he can count on you to have 7HCP, and he will factor this
expections in his bids in.