[Trpltrbl]

SWISS, VUL against NOT

void
AK9xx
AQJx
AK9x

3 - X - 4 - P - P - your bid

Mike

[Free]

tnx for adding the vulnerability

Dbl, hopefully partner won't pass. I want to play slam, unless partner has good spades. If he has bad spades, he should bid 4NT leaving the choice for me, or bid a 4 card suit at 5 level.

[Trpltrbl]

Guess not many people interested in this problem, or don't know how to handle it.

Mike

[Trpltrbl]

Wow, people must be really scared of this hand. Last try.

Mike

[luis]

5s showing something like this hand :-)

[inquiry]

Hard to find a bid here, anything could be very right or very wrong. The big problem is with the first bid. This is NOT a hand you want to make a takeout double on to begin with. IF you do, especially at this vul, you know you are going to be saddled with this very decision or playing unkind 3♠X. The right bid over 3♠ is an immediate 4♠ cue-bid. How can I show this hand when after 3♠x I can't have this hand.

As it is, I now choose 5NT pick a slam, thinking I will get a forcong pass opportunity over a 6♠ sac (given the vul).

ben

[the hog]

Agree with Ben. I would have have bid 4S initially. Now I have snookered myself to some extent. 4NT I guess.

[paulg]

I double, fully expecting to play 4♠X since partner is passing with all balanced hands. I'm not prepared to force to slam on this hand, so I'm clearly in the minority (of one currently!).

I play non-leaping Leaping Michaels over 3♠, with both 4♠ and 4NT showing the minors (good and bad versions) so I'm quite happy with double ... well perhaps not happy but forced. This is a relatively common treatment for 4♠ and 4NT on the tournament scene although clearly not optimal for this hand.

[Trpltrbl]

Maybe it would work better if I say that my pd will never pass the X, unless she had 2 of 3 tophonors and 5 card suit, one of her rules being infront of the opener.
So in this case is she wud pass, we are collecting a big price.

Mike

[the hog]

2 of the top honors to 5 cards in THEIR suit? Who on earth were you playing who would bid this way? The last time you had a penalty X I must have been a wee laddie. Not a realistic problem imho.

[inquiry]

Trpltrbl, on Feb 2 2004, 07:25 PM, said:

Maybe it would work better if I say that my pd will never pass the X, unless she had 2 of 3 tophonors and 5 card suit, one of her rules being infront of the opener.
So in this case is she wud pass, we are collecting a big price.

Mike

OMG you must be stolen blind. What kind of requirement to leave a penalty double in is a FIVE card suit with two of the top three? Jeez. Pentaly passes must NEVER happen at your table (well never is kind of stong, but boy do you have them when it does, every 20 years or so).

Ben

[Trpltrbl]

Not my rule, my pd's. And she comes in high in national competion in USA more then a few times.

Mike