[DWM]

Scoring: MP

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Bidding

(1♥) - 2♦ - (P) - ??

What is your bid and why?

At the table I was unsure, I thought that if P was max we could have game on and we could also have 4-4 in spades.

As it was MP's I thought to look for spades, might have made a simple raise in diamonds in teams, but then not sure if raising diamonds denys a spade interest.

your thoughts and comments please.

[hotShot]

2 ♠ would show a 5 card suit, and 7xxx is more like 3 cards.
Your partner may be strong, so you should keep the bidding open, with weaker hands you could just pass.

[Fluffy]

this is one of the easiest 3♦ bids you'll find

agree with hotshot.

[helene_t]

3♦, at this scoring at vulnerability it is mainly to prevent opps from making the right decision as to whether to compete to 3♥, but as a side bonus we might reach a good game.

[whereagles]

3♦ playing normal methods

2♠ (shows clubs) + 3♦ playing rubens advances.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D.

depending on your style, 2S would be
nonforcing, and you are to weak to make
a 2H bid.

So you have no real alternative.
If partner is strong enough, that you have
game he can introduce a 4 card spade suit
with 3S.

Playing MP's majors rule, but only if you can
show them.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

whereagles, on Jun 19 2007, 09:04 AM, said:

3♦ playing normal methods

2♠ (shows clubs) + 3♦ playing rubens advances.

In case you play transfer responses,
does 2S not show a 5 carder?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

In theory, yes. In practice, it is, in my opinion, worth to take a slight chance and try and bid out the whole hand. After I've shown supp + clubs, pard will be in a pretty good position to place final contract.

Yeah, I know you're not used to me doing constructive bidding

[Apollo81]

3♦ - partner can still bid 3♠ if he has the hand you are worried about

[mikeh]

3♦: partner, with a maximum and a 4 card major, can still get us to ♠s if he wants to.

BTW, if I had transfer advances available, I wouldn't use one, since, for me, this is a close-to-minimum raise. I also wouldn't transfer into clubs and then correct to ♦s because, for me, that shows a hand that is stronger... the kind of hand that I wouldn't mind partner bidding 3N opposite if he held good(ish) ♦s and a club card.... in other words, my showing clubs en route to raising diamonds shows game interest, which I do not really have unless partner has a moose (moose = canadian for 'very big hand')

[jdonn]

mikeh, on Jun 19 2007, 12:04 PM, said:

3♦: partner, with a maximum and a 4 card major, can still get us to ♠s if he wants to.

BTW, if I had transfer advances available, I wouldn't use one, since, for me, this is a close-to-minimum raise. I also wouldn't transfer into clubs and then correct to ♦s because, for me, that shows a hand that is stronger... the kind of hand that I wouldn't mind partner bidding 3N opposite if he held good(ish) ♦s and a club card.... in other words, my showing clubs en route to raising diamonds shows game interest, which I do not really have unless partner has a moose (moose = canadian for 'very big hand')

You are correct, transfer is wrong since the hand isn't good enough. It also eliminates the chances of finding a spade fit since when you transfer to clubs and support diamonds partner won't play you for spades as well.

[cherdano]

The only reason to show clubs would be for the lead, but there is no reason to assume we will be on defense.

[neilkaz]

3♦ for me. 8 HCP with three trumps and a doubleton is a bit too much for me to pass as possibly we may have game if PD has a real max. If PD has a max and 4♠ he can bid 3♠.

Also my hand is no where near a 2♥ cue bid and is closer to a pass than 2♥.

B/I, in general would do well to learn when and how to raise overcallers. Last night playing with a so called good player. He has x,Q9x,KQxxx,Txxx and passed my 1♥ overcall ! But later bid 3♥ rather than passing out the opp's 2♠ (I passed on my 2nd turn). This is not good bidding as he obviously should raise straight away.

I still use Lawrence's fine book on overcalls as my guideline, but is there anything newer written exclusively on overcalls ?

thx .. neilkaz ..

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Jun 19 2007, 05:26 PM, said:

You are correct, transfer is wrong since the hand isn't good enough.

That depends on what you define as "good enough".

[pclayton]

3♦ is fine.

If I'm getting some fidgets from LHO, I might try a club transfer to get the lead in, but otherwise I'd just raise and not make the auction complicated.

[kenrexford]

pclayton, on Jun 19 2007, 01:55 PM, said:

3♦ is fine.

If I'm getting some fidgets from LHO, I might try a club transfer to get the lead in, but otherwise I'd just raise and not make the auction complicated.

Yeah, that was my concern for bidding 2♥, all by myself.

If we play 3♦, I don't want to overstate my diamond holding. For me, 3♦ strongly suggests Ace or King -- lead acceptance values for defense. When I have an interest in bigger and better things, I try to avoid a simple raise without a strong holding for partner.

If I low-ball, I'll pass rather than raise. I think that the additional preemption value of a 3♦ call on Jxx is less significant than the value on defense of partner trusting his ability to lead from AJxxxx, AQxxxx, KJxxxx, and stuff like that.

On this one, I'm electing to high-ball things. If partner does something shocking like jumping to 3NT, I'll expect a fair shot at nine tricks, possibly on a diamond hook, because I have AK on the side. After 2NT, I can retreat to 3♦, which is less trustworthy as Hxx support.

[skjaeran]

I play transfer advances here, but I'm not strong enough to show a side suit here, nor strong enough for a good raise. So I'm content with a simple raise to 3♦.

Btw, transfering to ♣'s on the way to 3♦ would almost certainly bury any possible 44♠ fit.

[whereagles]

who cares about the 44 fit? it's a lousy suit anyway ^^

[neilkaz]

whereagles, on Jun 19 2007, 03:04 PM, said:

who cares about the 44 fit? it's a lousy suit anyway ^^

Well put !! and something I am trying to convince my PD's off. Off course PD can have a good 4 card ♠ suit, but sometimes he doesn't and the Red X card comes out !

Our point is that we don't need to risk confusing the bidding to find a 4-4 fit with our lousy suit.

.. neilkaz ..