[bhall]

One common practice in NA is to play 3/2 forcing, 2/1 nonforcing constructive, and 2M/2m forcing one round. This last allows advancer to explore for a 5-3 major fit when he holds invitational values in overcaller's minor.

On the hand in question, 2♥ would be NF constructive, and I would rebid 3♠ as showing tolerance for a game contract in either major. I would expect partner, if he bids again, to allow for 6 cards in my suit by offering 4♥ on the way to 4♠ with a 6=2=4=1 pattern.

Of course, my expectations have been disappointed once or twice in past events.

[Halo]

jdonn, on Jun 15 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Halo, on Jun 15 2007, 10:33 AM, said:

I like the idea of bidding 3H here (with implied spade support).  It's true that the three small clubs in my hand are a downer, but then partner could struggle to get full value out my hand playing in spades.

I actually don't mind 3♥ at all, in fact I'm surprised everyone is going to spades instead of rebidding this very good heart suit. However, in what world does 3♥ imply spade support?

Slow to respond because I wasn't taking credit for the 3H bid.

I think the logic is that you are not screwing partner. He asked for preference and instead you make an alternative (IMO forward going bid), that implies if he bids 3S you are OK (Hx).

This is the 'expert' zone and I hope that doesn't mean that there is some magical answer out there that successful players divine in some way.

There is a kind of obsequious tendency occasional on the Forum. Great players perform well in the real world under pressure. Their opinions (so far as they choose to share them) are therefore a bit better than average, but not so much better than then majority at any point.

[jdonn]

Halo, on Jun 16 2007, 04:19 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 15 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Halo, on Jun 15 2007, 10:33 AM, said:

I like the idea of bidding 3H here (with implied spade support).  It's true that the three small clubs in my hand are a downer, but then partner could struggle to get full value out my hand playing in spades.

I actually don't mind 3♥ at all, in fact I'm surprised everyone is going to spades instead of rebidding this very good heart suit. However, in what world does 3♥ imply spade support?

Slow to respond because I wasn't taking credit for the 3H bid.

I think the logic is that you are not screwing partner. He asked for preference and instead you make an alternative (IMO forward going bid), that implies if he bids 3S you are OK (Hx).

The problem is where you say partner "asked for preference". He did not, he simply described his hand. If you have bad holdings in both his suits and very long hearts, which is not the least bit unlikely, there would seem to be no choice but 3♥. After all what else could that hand do?

[Halo]

jdonn, on Jun 16 2007, 04:33 PM, said:

The problem is where you say partner "asked for preference". He did not, he simply described his hand. If you have bad holdings in both his suits and very long hearts, which is not the least bit unlikely, there would seem to be no choice but 3♥. After all what else could that hand do?

I see your point, but if so limited I would have passed partner's 1S overcall - if you would not then we are on different tracks.

[neilkaz]

I like my 6 card ♥ suit and will rebid 3♥. We may have game in either major or perhaps 9 tricks is all we can take. I don't expect to miss a game if PD passes 3♥

[Halo]

Jlall, on Jun 16 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

Halo, on Jun 16 2007, 05:21 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 16 2007, 04:33 PM, said:

The problem is where you say partner "asked for preference". He did not, he simply described his hand. If you have bad holdings in both his suits and very long hearts, which is not the least bit unlikely, there would seem to be no choice but 3♥. After all what else could that hand do?

I see your point, but if so limited I would have passed partner's 1S overcall - if you would not then we are on different tracks.

With x AQTxxxx xx QJx you would pass 1S? Or you would bid something other than 3H at your next turn? There is no reason you have to have spade tolerance to rebid your suit.

You have me there.

I think I might bid 2H on your hand, and I am not sure if I would pass 3D rather than bid 3H.

But was it all a good idea? If I press on to 3H opposite 6043 or 5053, have I done the right thing?

[jdonn]

Halo, on Jun 17 2007, 02:57 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 16 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

With x AQTxxxx xx QJx you would pass 1S? Or you would bid something other than 3H at your next turn? There is no reason you have to have spade tolerance to rebid your suit.

You have me there.

I think I might bid 2H on your hand, and I am not sure if I would pass 3D rather than bid 3H.

But was it all a good idea? If I press on to 3H opposite 6043 or 5053, have I done the right thing?

Why does partner have to have a heart void? Do you not open 3♥ ever in case partner is void? You just bid your hand. I think you are really reaching here to hang on to what you originally thought.

[pclayton]

whereagles, on Jun 16 2007, 12:53 AM, said:

The standard around here is "new suit after overcall is forcing except a 2/1, which is constructive but NF. At 3 level it is GF".

This is what I play too. Therefore pard isnt a dead minimum, but if pard passes 3H we are probably in the right spot.

[Halo]

jdonn, on Jun 17 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

Halo, on Jun 17 2007, 02:57 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 16 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

With x AQTxxxx xx QJx you would pass 1S? Or you would bid something other than 3H at your next turn? There is no reason you have to have spade tolerance to rebid your suit.

You have me there.

I think I might bid 2H on your hand, and I am not sure if I would pass 3D rather than bid 3H.

But was it all a good idea? If I press on to 3H opposite 6043 or 5053, have I done the right thing?

Why does partner have to have a heart void? Do you not open 3♥ ever in case partner is void? You just bid your hand. I think you are really reaching here to hang on to what you originally thought.

Perhaps so. But I was just considering downsides. Would you still rebid if partner had spades and clubs and your long suit was diamonds?