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For the hands posted with 4-4 majors, wouldn't hearts be bid first?
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Posted 2007-June-15, 10:07
goobers, on Jun 15 2007, 05:49 PM, said:
For the hands posted with 4-4 majors, wouldn't hearts be bid first?
Sure. Partner can't have any 4441 or 44M
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Posted 2007-June-15, 11:45
OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
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Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
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Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
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Posted 2007-June-15, 12:19
FrancesHinden, on Jun 15 2007, 12:45 PM, said:
OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
xx
Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
xx
Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
For each of those there is a Axxxx AQxx Qx Jx where 4♠ is 40% and 3NT is 90% (and when that is down, 4♠ was down two doubled). I think of it this way, either game could be best but some amount of the time that 4♠ is best, partner will pull 3NT. But if 3NT is best there is only one chance to get there. So I just describe my hand as being much better for notrump than for a suit, and let partner decide.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-June-15, 15:11
jdonn, on Jun 15 2007, 08:19 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Jun 15 2007, 12:45 PM, said:
OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
xx
Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!
AQxxx
Qxxx
xx
Kx
3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good
If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?
The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.
For each of those there is a Axxxx AQxx Qx Jx where 4♠ is 40% and 3NT is 90% (and when that is down, 4♠ was down two doubled). I think of it this way, either game could be best but some amount of the time that 4♠ is best, partner will pull 3NT. But if 3NT is best there is only one chance to get there. So I just describe my hand as being much better for notrump than for a suit, and let partner decide.
I agree with Josh on this. Partner will almost always take 3NT out if he's 54 in ♠ and a red suit, either with 31 in the other suits or a weak doubleton (two small) in one.
Those times partner passes 3NT we'll most probably be in the best game - if there is a making game at all.
Kind regards,
Harald
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