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Defense to Strong Club

#21 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2007-June-06, 15:10

mycroft, on Jun 6 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

I prefer defensive systems that tell a story to those that play guessing games, and here's why:

At the one level, you're not doing much of anything to a strong club pair.
At the two level, you're putting a crimp in things, but it's still dealable.
If you can get to the three level, however, now you're putting a serious crimp in things - especially since you've taken away their cuebid for 3NT.

Why does Mathe X=majors work? Not because 1C-X is a difficult bid to handle - as many say, it gives more options than 1C-P - but because when the doubler has both majors, 3NT is "in the picture" a lot more often than average, *and* with a good fit in a major, advancer can bid 3M.

In other words, you don't have to play lone wolf attacking the strong clubbers - they rarely can negotiate strength and strain in one call by responder, and 3M still takes away the stopper-ask cuebid for 3NT even if it's done by the strong hand's RHO.

Having said that, straight up Wonder bids (bid=that suit or the other three) are *very* effective. The chance of catching a safe place to land with either option is much higher than with many X or Y bids...

Michael.

I never liked wonder bids. For starters, you have the single-suited hand a lot more often than the three-suited hand. The second point is that the 3-suited hand has a lot less offensive potential and if they start doubling you, you're in a whole lot of trouble. I just found that I didn't like bidding them, even at the 2-level, on the three suited hands, and then they became even more rare. I'd much rather play natural than wonder bids as then advancer can bounce the auction much easier, rather than always holding back in case you happen to have the 3-suited hand.
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Posted 2007-June-08, 11:47

DO YOU ALL EXPAND YOUR VS 1C FORCE STRUCTURE TO MY MOST HATED 1C= MAY BE SHORT(THEREFORE CONVENTIONAL 1C)??
This disruption must be VERY effective as they have another variable: opener may have a 12hcp rag! While disruption system only adds honors in right place to distributional fit we discover to sac/make game decisions.
How can 1C= 2-7C+ 0-5D+ 0-4H+ 0-5S and 12-21hcp be left un-barraged?
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Posted 2007-June-08, 12:16

dake50, on Jun 8 2007, 09:47 AM, said:

DO YOU ALL EXPAND YOUR VS 1C FORCE STRUCTURE TO MY MOST HATED 1C= MAY BE SHORT(THEREFORE CONVENTIONAL 1C)??
This disruption must be VERY effective as they have another variable: opener may have a 12hcp rag! While disruption system only adds honors in right place to distributional fit we discover to sac/make game decisions.
How can 1C= 2-7C+ 0-5D+ 0-4H+ 0-5S and 12-21hcp be left un-barraged?

No. Others can elaborate on this, but my personal approach is to treat all short clubs - Polish, Swedish, whatever as natural.

I might be slightly more agressive overcalling however.
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Posted 2007-June-08, 19:06

In one online partnership I play my partner's scheme over ALL 1 openers, which starts with:

Pass=any 12+
Double=0-11 with s and s
1=0-11 with s and s
1=0-11 with s and s
1=all hands not covered elsewhere (usually 4333)
1NT=0-11 with s and s
2=0-11 with s and s
2=0-11 with s and s
2NT=extreme two-suiter
others=WJO

This method was originally devised for use against Big Club opps and was derived from 'Lionel Wright', but works OK in any case, I think, despite comments otherwise from some...


I play Suction (regular or TWERB, never really like Psycho) over 1NT in a number of partnerships both RL and virtual. I'd be interested to try/have comments on this as a strong 1 defence:

Pass=0-7 (if 4-7, no 6-card suit)
Double=any 16+
1=5+s OR (4+/4+ s AND s)
1=5+s OR (4+/4+ s AND s)
1=5+s OR (4+/4+ s AND s)
1NT=non-touching 2-suiter ((s and s) or (s and s))
2=5+s OR (4+/4+ s AND s)
others=WJO

1 and 1NT could easily be reversed in meaning (TWERB style).
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Posted 2007-June-08, 19:29

I like wonder bids....just because you're given more bids to show your hand as you get to game as the 1C side and not the opposition. :D
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Posted 2007-June-09, 14:00

Tsetse Club defence to Strong club is non-challenging and non-threatening :(We hope to lull opponents into a ?false? sense of security :)
  • _X_ = Minors
  • _P_ = Strong flat or Weak club lead-directing or just weak.
  • 1 = Weak natural lead-directing.
  • 1 = Weak natural lead-directing.
  • 1 = Weak natural lead-directing.
  • 1 N = Spades & minor
  • 2 = Interrmediate natural.
  • 2 = Interrmediate natural.
  • 2 = Interrmediate natural.
  • 2 = Interrmediate natural.
  • 2 N = Hearts & another
  • 3 = Weak natural.
  • 3 = Weak natural.
  • 3 = Weak natural.
  • 3 = Weak natural.

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