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Poll: What do you do? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you do?

  1. Pass (37 votes [97.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 97.37%

  2. 5S (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  3. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2007-May-28, 14:36

You hold:
Scoring: IMP


And the auction goes:
1♦ - 3♣ - 3♠ - 5♣
Dbl - pass - ???
(1♦ shows 14+HCP and an unbalanced hand with 4+♦)

Do you think 5♠ is makable or not?
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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:02

Free, on May 28 2007, 03:36 PM, said:

You hold:
Dealer: North
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
♠ KQJ983
♥ QT6
♦ Q3
♣ A6
 


And the auction goes:
1♦ - 3♣ - 3♠ - 5♣
Dbl - pass - ???
(1♦ shows 14+HCP and an unbalanced hand with 4+♦)

Do you think 5♠ is makable or not?

Pass

Partner has made a decision based on the available information to her, she did not make a forcing pass. Going for a plus score. I have no idea if 5s makes or not but I think we can beat 5 clubs.

btw "FTL" seems to say 5 spades makes.
13-4+2=11 tricks.
13=total tricks
-4= estimated combined two shortest suits.
+2=estimated combined working hcp. 28 whcp. if only 27 we should pass. :D
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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:08

Hi,

Pass.

Partner did state, that he prefered going after the penalty,
and since you hold a hand partner can expect, there is no
reason to overwrite his decision.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:09

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Pass

Partner has made a decision based on the available information to her, she did not make a forcing pass. Going for a plus score. I have no idea if 5s makes or not but I think we can beat 5 clubs.


Mike, I find it amazing when we agree on anything, but here I agree with you.

I don't understand.

Did someone slip some LSD into my lunch?

It's been so long...

In general, I think that pulling partner's penalty double is a A Very Bad Idea, unless you have a hand which partner won't expect.

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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:30

5♠ might make, but i can see many ways of going down (a heart ruff, a diamond ruff or even losing 2 spade tricks and another ace). I don't have anything special to pull double, and partner doesn't have also, he didn't make a forcing pass. So i'll just chalk my plus score
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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:42

I don't know if 5S makes but passing is as clear as a cloudless sky.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-28, 15:52

trust the p and pass
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Posted 2007-May-29, 06:51

Pass. ODR too low for offensive action.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 06:55

?!

I have already promised a 5.5 carded spade suit and a good hand. What reason would there be to repeat my message?
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Posted 2007-May-29, 06:57

Free, on May 28 2007, 03:36 PM, said:

Do you think 5♠ is makable or not?

Do I think partner would understand if I try to guess this at the table and pull his double? I have a painless pass.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 06:59

P's double must be a forward double since otherwise this isn't a problem. Playing standard methods, everybody passes.

If it's a forward double I can't pass. I'd probably bid 5♠ allthough 5♦ could be right. Or maybe 5N or 6♣, whichever means pick-a-slam.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 07:44

helene_t, on May 29 2007, 07:59 AM, said:

P's double must be a forward double since otherwise this isn't a problem. Playing standard methods, everybody passes.

I have a feeling this is on the wrong forum...I haven't seen an SAYC-type opening where 1 diamond promises an unbalanced 4, and I think the X must not be penalty, although I can't imagine why not. Partner should have some way of showing a singleton spade, since that's a darned likely holding for him.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 07:46

There have now been two replies saying that partner's double must have been conventional in some way, otherwise how can this be a problem? That seems to sum the hand up nicely. Playing 3S = FG with 5+ spades, pass over 5C as forcing and double as penalties it's difficult to construct a more obvious pass.
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Posted 2007-May-31, 23:59

hi

I rarely know better than my partner, and if I did i certainly wouldnt tell her. PASS

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Posted 2007-June-01, 04:05

gwnn, on May 29 2007, 12:55 PM, said:

?!

I have already promised a 5.5 carded spade suit and a good hand. What reason would there be to repeat my message?

that's what I think.
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