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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2007-May-26, 15:16

Scoring: IMP

p-(1H)-1S-(2H)
??

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-26, 15:27

Hannie, on May 26 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

p-(1H)-1S-(2H)
??

This is close but I would bid 2s, freebid, even at imps.
1) Partner has overcalled in the boss suit, spades nv, lets give her a break.
2) Qx of hearts looks like a downgrade
3) xxx of trumps looks like a downgrade
4) no stiff or void, flat shape looks like a downgrade.
5) K of D is neutral
6) Ace of clubs is a plus.
7) I think a free bid shows something, not random flat 5 HCP.
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Posted 2007-May-26, 15:58

I mostly agree with Mike, though for me 2S is mandatory with 3 spades even with a flat yarborough.

Make the hearts a small doubleton and the diamonds KQxxx and I invite.

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Posted 2007-May-26, 16:15

I think the point is "what if LHO bids 3♥? Since I don't feel like forcing to the 3 level, the question to me is whether to dbl or make the slight underbid of 2♠.

Dbl is right on spot as to where our values are, but buries support if LHO bids. 2♠ is a slight distortion, but we can always dbl later to show a low ODR if the tactical situation calls for it.

2♠ it is.
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Posted 2007-May-26, 16:30

I'd certainly invite, cause missing game is not good.

If your silly silly partner can't make 3♠ with this brilliant dummy, u have every right to tell him off!
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Posted 2007-May-26, 16:54

gwnn, on May 26 2007, 10:30 PM, said:

If your silly silly partner can't make 3♠ with this brilliant dummy, u have every right to tell him off!

Your silly pard made a 3rd seat 1♠ overcall. He doesn't promise the world. In fact, 4 good spades is enough to make the bid.
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Posted 2007-May-26, 16:57

Only 2S. I have 3 card support with no hon; I have a, (probable),wasted Q of H.
Pd will overcall 1S on AKJxx and out - even over 1H.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2007-May-26, 16:59

I would bid 3♥, except opposite a partner who is likely to have four spades for his overcall. This hand is absolutely minimum for that and I don't have huge qualms with 2♠.
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Posted 2007-May-27, 02:30

Playing any kind of reasonable overcalling style I cannot imagine bidding anything other than 2S with this hand unless I just loved going minus. I mean really, 3H, wow.
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Posted 2007-May-27, 02:57

How do we handle routine low level preemption if we can't show a raise with values. If double is not showing this hand I would rather bid 3H than 2S.
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Posted 2007-May-27, 10:13

I bid 2S at the table, the opponents played 3H. RHO had KQ109 of spades, so getting any higher is not a good idea.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-27, 10:41

Hannie, on May 27 2007, 11:13 AM, said:

I bid 2S at the table, the opponents played 3H. RHO had KQ109 of spades, so getting any higher is not a good idea.

Can you post partner's hand? I'm just curious.
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Posted 2007-May-27, 11:10

Partner had AJxxx x 10xxx Kxx, don't remember the spots.

edit: I looked up the full hand:

Scoring: IMP

p - 1H - 1S - 2H
2S - 3C - p - 3H
all pass


So 3SX isn't even a big disaster as the opponents can make 4H. Passing out 3H was better.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-27, 11:23

huh.. we cash 1s, 3c vs 4♥ ^^
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Posted 2007-May-27, 11:25

Oh right :-).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-27, 11:49

So 3♥ works better since opener will just bid 4♥ due to having no room, whereas 2♠ lets him make a game try that will be rejected. Just checking :)
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Posted 2007-May-27, 13:39

This is obviously a bad hand for having to bid 3H - and it's not uncommon for RHO to tempt oppos with a good spade holding, of course.

But I'll still stick to my double by preference and 3H by necessity.

There are many situations like this that define the outcome of competition - you pay your money and take your place in the rankings.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 09:40

Jlall, on May 27 2007, 04:30 AM, said:

Playing any kind of reasonable overcalling style I cannot imagine bidding anything other than 2S with this hand unless I just loved going minus. I mean really, 3H, wow.

Agree.
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