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Scoring: IMP
what are you doing?
If you double it goes:
pass - 4♥ - pass - pass - 4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
If you bid 4♦ it goes:
4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
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3S opening on your right, what to bid
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Posted 2007-May-24, 19:07
3♠ is opened on your right and you hold:
what are you doing?
If you double it goes:
pass - 4♥ - pass - pass - 4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
If you bid 4♦ it goes:
4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
what are you doing?
If you double it goes:
pass - 4♥ - pass - pass - 4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
If you bid 4♦ it goes:
4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
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Posted 2007-May-24, 19:15
Start with a double. It may be imperfect but what else can you do. 4♦ in this spot without a suit is futile, but to pass feels very weak when we have this much.
After (3♠)-X-(P)-4♥-(P)-P-(4♠)-P-(P) then I would just get out. Competing in hearts could be deadly seeing as we're already short one. Doubling could blow up in our face since North could have nothing and they might even be ruffing our second heart trick. I'd let them have it in 4♠ and not force the issue.
After (3♠)-X-(P)-4♥-(P)-P-(4♠)-P-(P) then I would just get out. Competing in hearts could be deadly seeing as we're already short one. Doubling could blow up in our face since North could have nothing and they might even be ruffing our second heart trick. I'd let them have it in 4♠ and not force the issue.
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Posted 2007-May-24, 19:53
Foxx, on May 25 2007, 08:15 AM, said:
Start with a double. It may be imperfect but what else can you do. 4♦ in this spot without a suit is futile, but to pass feels very weak when we have this much.
After (3♠)-X-(P)-4♥-(P)-P-(4♠)-P-(P) then I would just get out. Competing in hearts could be deadly seeing as we're already short one. Doubling could blow up in our face since North could have nothing and they might even be ruffing our second heart trick. I'd let them have it in 4♠ and not force the issue.
After (3♠)-X-(P)-4♥-(P)-P-(4♠)-P-(P) then I would just get out. Competing in hearts could be deadly seeing as we're already short one. Doubling could blow up in our face since North could have nothing and they might even be ruffing our second heart trick. I'd let them have it in 4♠ and not force the issue.
I agree with everything said in this post.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2007-May-24, 19:56
I would double at my first chance.
On the next round, it is important to know that partners pass over 4♠ is not forcing. So we have the chance to pass, should we desire. On this hand, I so desire. Partner with some spades might have doubled, and I have looked in my hand, and I don't have spades either. We might get only one heart and I am worried the club king will be with responder rather than opener. At MP, I might double, but not imps.
On the next round, it is important to know that partners pass over 4♠ is not forcing. So we have the chance to pass, should we desire. On this hand, I so desire. Partner with some spades might have doubled, and I have looked in my hand, and I don't have spades either. We might get only one heart and I am worried the club king will be with responder rather than opener. At MP, I might double, but not imps.
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Posted 2007-May-24, 21:47
Double and pass is clear imo.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-May-24, 22:04
Initial double and no other chance but pass after p's pass
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Posted 2007-May-25, 00:24
I see no alternative to double.
At my second turn I would pass, but another double is not unreasonable. If I'd started with 4♦ I think I'd double at my next turn.
At my second turn I would pass, but another double is not unreasonable. If I'd started with 4♦ I think I'd double at my next turn.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 00:32
Double at my first turn.
We have too many delayed auctions around here. They don't happen very often in real life. People bid their hand first, and then they shut up. They don't back in with raises of preempts.
I might double a 2nd time too, but I might pass. I just don't know, but I'm not faced with this situation very often.
If I doubled, and they bid 4♠, I would certainly pass.
We have too many delayed auctions around here. They don't happen very often in real life. People bid their hand first, and then they shut up. They don't back in with raises of preempts.
I might double a 2nd time too, but I might pass. I just don't know, but I'm not faced with this situation very often.
If I doubled, and they bid 4♠, I would certainly pass.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 01:06
Dbl and Dbl, although it seems wrong after reading all these replies about passing the 2nd round...
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Posted 2007-May-25, 01:24
Double and pass, there is nothing extra to bid, and LHO is unlimmited.
Had he made a non forcing bid before, I would feel more tempted to act.
Had he made a non forcing bid before, I would feel more tempted to act.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 05:13
Free, on May 25 2007, 04:06 PM, said:
Dbl and Dbl, although it seems wrong after reading all these replies about passing the 2nd round...
UR not alone....
If LHo made his 4 Spade bid to make, they still won´t get rich.
Else we have a good chance to increase our profite.
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Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
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Posted 2007-May-25, 07:52
Echoing Free's feelings here.
I just bid too much.. lol
I just bid too much.. lol
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Posted 2007-May-25, 07:59
The doublers are assuming that WEST is "sacraficing" over 4♥. In reality, he often will be taking a double shot. He had planned on bidding 4♠ but over the double, chose pass.. .on a good day, he plays 3♠+1 rather than 4♠=, and when he pulls 4♥ (a bid forced on partner) to 4♠ it "sounds" like a save, and might entice yet another double which he may welcome.
If 4♠ is always weak, then of course, double away.. but West could easily hold...
♠KTxx ♥Txxx ♦AKx ♣Kx
Where you get 0/2 hearts, 0/D, 1C and 0♠ for 4♠ making with or without overtricks.
If 4♠ is always weak, then of course, double away.. but West could easily hold...
♠KTxx ♥Txxx ♦AKx ♣Kx
Where you get 0/2 hearts, 0/D, 1C and 0♠ for 4♠ making with or without overtricks.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 14:36
GriffenMac, on May 24 2007, 09:07 PM, said:
3♠ is opened on your right and you hold:
what are you doing?
If you double it goes:
pass - 4♥ - pass - pass - 4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
If you bid 4♦ it goes:
4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
Scoring: IMP
what are you doing?
If you double it goes:
pass - 4♥ - pass - pass - 4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
If you bid 4♦ it goes:
4♠ - pass - pass, what do you do now?
a. Dbl..pass
b. Dbl..Dbl
c. 4♦..pass
d. 4♦..Dbl
Playing with a random expert I would rank these in the listed order....(a) being the best and (d) being the worst. Honestly though, I can see myself choosing any of the above four options depending on partner.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 20:19
Agree with X is clear on the first round. The second part of the problem is completely a poker problem, I'm sure in real life especially if my opponent sucked I would smack this off more often than not. However if it's Jeff Meckstroth on my left I would just pass. The timing of LHO's bidding would also be a big issue for me, if he tank passed X and then insta 4Sed that would mean he already made a plan and was following through, then I wouldn't X. However if he insta passes the X and then tank 4Ss he's almost certainly just bidding stupidly and decided to save now that we're in game. I think if you are automatically passing you are missing out on a lot of opportunities when you play or that you never play against bad opponents.
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