[Rain]

http://www.miamihera...ory/114359.html

[luke warm]

yes

[Codo]

That somebody, who was obviously very very frustrated and not of clear mind was killed and his girlfriend seriously damaged is not my definition of fair.

Maybe you had other informations and he was a known murderer or so, but else I don´t get your point.
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[bid_em_up]

Codo, on May 23 2007, 10:37 AM, said:

That somebody, who was obviously very very frustrated and not of clear mind was killed and his girlfriend seriously damaged is not my definition of fair.

Maybe you had other informations and he was a known murderer or so, but else I don´t get your point.
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Roland,

I am pretty sure Rain is referring to the fact that the man was trying to kill either both himself and his girlfriend or was intent on killing the girlfriend), but he ended up being the only one killed.

While the proper term may not be "fair", it is at least appropriate that he died and the g/f lived. In most cases, she would be dead, and he would be the one in the hospital, but still alive.

[Echognome]

I think Roland's point is correct. If you read the article there is a lot of speculation about what happened. All we know that happened is that a train hit a car. The guy was thrown from the car and was killed and the woman survived, albeit was seriously injured. If you note, what they the report focuses on is what was initially thought to be true, but was later corrected! I wouldn't take anything away from this other than it being a tragedy.

[luke warm]

the original report said he parked on the tracks, got out and ran away, leaving the girl... is that what happened or not?

[bid_em_up]

Echognome, on May 23 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

I think Roland's point is correct.  If you read the article there is a lot of speculation about what happened.  All we know that happened is that a train hit a car.  The guy was thrown from the car and was killed and the woman survived, albeit was seriously injured.  If you note, what they the report focuses on is what was initially thought to be true, but was later corrected!  I wouldn't take anything away from this other than it being a tragedy.

I think if you read it again, you will see that the story says "The girlfriend survived in what police suspect was an attempted murder-suicide." (first paragraph).

Later in the article, it says

"The driver, who witnesses said was arguing with his girlfriend, parked the car on the tracks moments before a northbound Metrolink train crossed the road, Lopez said.

The train hit the rear passenger side of the car, spinning it around and ejecting the driver. The girlfriend, who was wearing a seat belt, was taken to a hospital and later upgraded to stable condition, Lopez said.

Officials earlier said they believed the man was trying to kill his girlfriend but fled the car before the train hit, only to be crushed by the car. They later revised their account because of new information."

This, to me, says he was still attempting to kill the g/f, but it was revised to being intended as a murder/suicide (instead of just killing the g/f only), as he was ejected from the car when it was hit, and that he was not attempting to flee the car, as originally believed. It was not revised to just being an accident.

Granted, this is still speculation and if it was simply an accident, then it is a tragedy, albeit a stupid one and one that could have been avoided.

But if he was intent on killing both himself and the g/f or just the g/f, then he got what he deserved.

[jtfanclub]

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Officials earlier said they believed the man was trying to kill his girlfriend but fled the car before the train hit, only to be crushed by the car. They later revised their account because of new information."

That's what the article original said when it was linked...that he'd been running away and crushed by the car. Since then, the article has been edited to make this the "officials earlier said" version.

[bid_em_up]

jtfanclub, on May 23 2007, 03:51 PM, said:

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Officials earlier said they believed the man was trying to kill his girlfriend but fled the car before the train hit, only to be crushed by the car. They later revised their account because of new information."

That's what the article original said when it was linked...that he'd been running away and crushed by the car. Since then, the article has been edited to make this the "officials earlier said" version.

I still don't get what you guys are attempting to get at.

The cops initially believed he was intending to kill only the girlfriend. Since they thought he was attempting to flee the car thereby saving his own life. That was the initial story.

They changed it to murder/suicide when they realized he was ejected from the car, and not fleeing from the car attempting to escape being hit. Meaning he was attempting to kill them both (murder/suicide).

In the first case, he was attempting to kill only the g/f. In the 2nd case, he was attempting to kill both of them. The story was revised to reflect that it was an attempted murder/suicide, and not just attempted murder of the g/f. In either case, he was attempting to kill the g/f.

In either case, it still isn't classified as a "tragic accident". And since he was killed instead of the g/f, that's fair enough for me.

[bid_em_up]

On a side note....

There was a guy shot and killed by the police on one of the main highways in the town I live in yesterday. Seems the guy had robbed a convenience store, the cops spotted his car as it was pulling out of the store and chased him some 70 miles before he stopped. When he exited the vehicle, he had a gun drawn and the cops shot him.

Now...the funny part (at least to me) is that the cops were able to spot his car leaving the convenience store because after robbing the store (which just happens to also be a gas station), the moron orders the clerk to turn one of the gas pumps on so he can get gas. While he is pumping gas into his car, the store clerk calls the police, who then have enough time to arrive at the store as he is pulling out.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

[Rain]

Yep I guess news changes as more facts trickle in.

Obviously it's bad that the gf was injured, but the article said stable condition. Much preferable to death right?

Most of the time I am opposed to the death sentence. Once a month I want to kill half the world. :>

[keylime]

I don't think a loss of life, regardless of choice, is ever "fair" under these cirumstances.

[helene_t]

Rain, on May 24 2007, 01:06 AM, said:

Most of the time I am opposed to the death sentence. Once a month I want to kill half the world. :>

Same here, in general. Not in this case, though. The story in question doesn't really excide me. Just another tragedy report. If I really have to form an opinion about it, I agree with Roland.