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#1 User is offline   jocdelevat 

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Posted 2007-May-13, 16:52

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 Pass  3♦    Pass  ?
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Posted 2007-May-13, 17:04

No, I just bid 6♦.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 17:52

Yes

One more reason to not open 3 bids with an outside ace.
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  Posted 2007-May-13, 17:55

3S, forcing. If pard raises, I'll table five clubs next. I have enough tickets for at least six at this point.

If pard retreats to 4D, then I bid what I think I can make and that's six diamonds; pard's probably going to have a heart honor over a club honor in this construction.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 18:15

Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 18:55

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam.

Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?
Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. ;)
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Posted 2007-May-13, 19:17

mike777, on May 13 2007, 07:55 PM, said:

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle?  5H by me, exclusion.  If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam.

Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?
Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :D

oooppppssss. ;) I didn't realize this was B/I board.

Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know.

We can cue bid until we are red in the face but I don't think we will ever get partner to bid grand with Jx, xxx, Axxxxxx, x. :)

Might as well try to get there if he has xx, xxx, AQxxxxx, x and settle for 6 otherwise.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 21:24

If playing exclusion, I bid 5♥, if not I bid 5NT GSF as mentioned by Winstonm.

.. neilkaz ..not willing to settle for 6 without a try for 7 here.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 22:28

Agree with trying for 7. To my mind exclusion is easier than GSF but I guess I'm new fashioned.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-13, 22:40


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I bid 6d just curios how others get to this grand slam. Thank you all for your answers.
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Posted 2007-May-13, 23:07

5♥ is exclusion for anyone higher than a 6th grade bridge education.

If I have to make one bid, its 7♦, not 5N.

I've already bid a grand off the ace of trump once this year, so it won't happen again :)
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Posted 2007-May-13, 23:52

pclayton, on May 14 2007, 12:07 AM, said:

5♥ is exclusion for anyone higher than a 6th grade bridge education.

If I have to make one bid, its 7♦, not 5N.

I've already bid a grand off the ace of trump once this year, so it won't happen again :)

I repeat exclusion is used 1000% more on forum than I see in bridge magazines over 4 decades. :)

ok I barely made it through 5th grade.
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Posted 2007-May-14, 00:20

jocdelevat, on May 13 2007, 05:52 PM, said:

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 Pass  3♦    Pass  ?

Hi,

sure, unless I have a way to bid EKCB,
I just bid 4NT and if partner shows up with
1 bid 7.

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Posted 2007-May-14, 01:24

I knew the answer would be "no" as soon as I saw the question. Asking for aces is the least useful slam try. Especially when you have a void.

However, it may be useful here since if partner has one ace it should be ♦. Then I can bid 7.

3♠ is reasonable since it's matchpoints. On a very bad day partner raises spades on Tx and I play 7♠ with Jxxx behind me. But I think it's a risk worth taking. I'm more concerned about RHO making a Lightner double, asking for a diamond lead because he's void.
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Posted 2007-May-14, 01:47

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 08:17 PM, said:

mike777, on May 13 2007, 07:55 PM, said:

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle?  5H by me, exclusion.  If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam.

Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?
Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :)

oooppppssss. :) I didn't realize this was B/I board.

Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know.

I don't think EKCB is too much for intermediates, it's useful and simple. 5♥.
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Posted 2007-May-14, 01:49

Mr. Dodgy, on May 14 2007, 02:47 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 08:17 PM, said:

mike777, on May 13 2007, 07:55 PM, said:

Winstonm, on May 13 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle?  5H by me, exclusion.  If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam.

Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?
Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :)

oooppppssss. :) I didn't realize this was B/I board.

Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know.

I don't think EKCB is too much for intermediates, it's useful and simple. 5♥.

I think Ekcb is that last thing..ok ..after the last thing I need to learn.....

If this is a high...even a low priority for your partnerships..you are winning everything.

My expert partners tell me this is the least of the least of my many problems.
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Posted 2007-May-14, 04:47

This is harder than it seems unless you have a gadget (and pard is on the same wavelength!!!).

Without any, I'd try a risky 4NT or just bid 6♦ depending on whether I needed action or not.
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Posted 2007-May-14, 06:29

Im with Mike7777 here; for those who are suggesting exclusion shake your head! ;) Try that with a casual bbo partner and you are quite likely to be playing 5♥.
Are people really recommending that it should be added to the "useful for beginner/intermediate convention list" ?
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Posted 2007-May-14, 06:31

jillybean2, on May 14 2007, 12:29 PM, said:

Do people really recommending that  it should be added to the "useful for beginner/intermediate convention list" ?

no no no ;)
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Posted 2007-May-14, 07:41

To get to the grand either trust your partner to not have Queen-High and just bid it, or play it safe and bid 6.

Without gadgets I would ask for Aces. If partner has 0, you know that he does NOT have the ♦A. If he has 1 I play the odds and bid 7. Not 100% sure but 80% is better than nothing!

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