[djehuti]

AJ AQ10xxxxxx ---- Kx

Teams, love all, (1:s) - pass - (pass) - à vous.

[pclayton]

4♥. I might even make it.

[Apollo81]

Double, then 4♥.

It's very unlikely that partner will pass the double.

[mikeh]

4♥ looks normal, even tho we can all see that we may be missing a laydown small or grand slam... partner with xxxx K xxxx AQxx isn't bidding over 4♥.

But we need him to have magic cards (♦ values will be worthless more often than not) and the odds are against us.

I agree that we don't want to let LHO show a second suit, via double by us, bid by LHO.

In the old (really old) days, 2♠ would have been the expert choice.... a strong cuebid, not a 2-suiter. Hands suitable for the device are rare, and so the bid lost popularity, but this would be a good start, since it gets the nature of the hand across eventually, and preempts the 2 level.

[jdonn]

2 days ago I played at the bridge club with a family member who isn't as bad as this hand will make them seem, and I held JT9xx Jxx xxx xx. 1♦ on my left, partner doubled, p, I bid 1♠, p, and partner bid 6♥. This got doubled on my left. It turned out to be a lousy double and we made easily (partner had x AKQxxxx A AKQx), but what do you think my thoughts were as dummy waiting for the lead?

Gee great they are ruffing this spade, now we told them what to lead and we are going down all because my bleeping partner who I love dearly felt the need to randomly double first.

Moral: Don't double first when you don't need to.

[djehuti]

I'm having a discussion in a local forum about this hand. It's double vs 4 ♥ . Im bidding 4♥ for most of the reasons already mentioned. Partner had xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx and passed 4 ♥ . Doesn't 4 ♥ show something simillar to a strong 2 in ♥? Shouldn't partner make a move?

[inquiry]

In passout seat, where the opponents were merrily resting n 1♠ if you pass, a 4♥ bid IS NOT preemptive, but instead suggest you will have a good play for this contract oppposite pretty much anything.

Your partner has the heart king and two quick tricks in diamonds. He should make a move, I suggest 5♥ asking for control of spades -- if they can cash two quick clubs I guess you are down, but why tell them what to lead.

[whereagles]

huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦??

[BebopKid]

Double then 4♥

[Codo]

Maybe you are too strong for 4 Heart.
After (1 ♠) pass (pass) you surely await more then just 3 HCPs from pd.
So I guess 4 HEart shows something like xx, AQTxxxxxx,-,Kx?

Maybe that is what pd expected and that is why he was passing happily?

[Fluffy]

Codo, on May 10 2007, 06:39 AM, said:

So I guess 4 HEart shows something like xx, AQTxxxxxx,-,Kx?

I don't think natural bids show 9 card suits , and will hardly suggest them.

Don't think north ahs to make any move at all.

[SoTired]

Well... at least there are no passers on this one

NOT DBL. 4H is the bid for several reasons all addressed previously.

1) 4H shows a strong hand willing to play 4H. A 2C opener with a strong heart suit. This is not a preemptive jump.

2) You have no reason to hear anything partner has to say, so you don't want to dbl. Your jump to 4H conveys your strength.

3) You don't want to give opps any more chances to exchange info

4) Partner with xxx Kxx AKxxx Qxx should not have passed. Partner should have bid 5D. Just as if partner opened 2C and rebid 4H. Yes it is possible that 4H bidder can't make 5H, but it is more likely that 6H makes than 5H goes down.

[neilkaz]

inquiry, on May 9 2007, 02:57 PM, said:

In passout seat, where the opponents were merrily resting n 1♠ if you pass, a 4♥ bid IS NOT preemptive, but instead suggest you will have a good play for this contract oppposite pretty much anything.

Your partner has the heart king and two quick tricks in diamonds. He should make a move, I suggest 5♥ asking for control of spades -- if they can cash two quick clubs I guess you are down, but why tell them what to lead.

Yes..I agree that PD should make a move here and 5♥ seems the best way to me.

PD's pass is weak, considering that quite a few overcall 2♦ with that hand.

.. neilkaz ..

[skjaeran]

whereagles, on May 9 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦??

Do you really want to overcall 2♦ on xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx ?
That surely isn't anything like what a 2♦ overcall looks like to me. In a bidding contest I'd rate it 2 out of 10. 1 for showing up and 1 for what might tip partner off to the best lead. Else this overcall hasn't much going for it - a terrible offense/defense ratio, not much overall strenght and a terrible suit.

[whereagles]

skaeran, on May 11 2007, 10:24 AM, said:

whereagles, on May 9 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦??

Do you really want to overcall 2♦ on xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx ?
That surely isn't anything like what a 2♦ overcall looks like to me. In a bidding contest I'd rate it 2 out of 10. 1 for showing up and 1 for what might tip partner off to the best lead. Else this overcall hasn't much going for it - a terrible offense/defense ratio, not much overall strenght and a terrible suit.

I believe it's correct to overcall 2♦ on this hand. The spade tripleton isn't bad, it deprives LHO of 1NT and 2♣, which are common bids over a 1♠ opener, and shows what you have in ONE bid. It's Robson/Segal's "In quick, out quick" principle at work.

Now, you might say 2♦ is reckless. Me, I judge pass as chickening out

[ArtK78]

It is possible that we can make a slam even if partner could not act in direct seat over 1♠.

It is also possible that partner could have a good hand and we have little or no play for slam.

In any event, I bid 4♥.

[Apollo81]

djehuti, on May 9 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

Partner had xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx and passed 4 ♥.

wdp

seriously, did he think his ♦A was a small one or something? or did he seriously think that 4♥ is a preemptive bid in this position

[Apollo81]

whereagles, on May 11 2007, 02:36 PM, said:

I believe it's correct to overcall 2♦ on this hand.

lol