[Al_U_Card]

So, the auction now proceeds 1C 1D 1NT p p ???

Pard leads a D and swish....they make 1NT for +90

You bid 1NT and even if they double for down 1, -100 is no diff at imps...undoubled and you are gaining. Making 1NT is even better.

When LHO can't take a bid, THAT is when pard comes to life after 1NT but not after 1D when holding a nice 10 count that is 4414 or even 3334 and you are in game central....

[jdonn]

Al_U_Card, on May 2 2007, 01:34 PM, said:

So, the auction now proceeds 1C 1D 1NT p p ???

Pard leads a D and swish....they make 1NT for +90

You bid 1NT and even if they double for down 1, -100 is no diff at imps...undoubled and you are gaining. Making 1NT is even better.

When LHO can't take a bid, THAT is when pard comes to life after 1NT but not after 1D when holding a nice 10 count that is 4414 or even 3334 and you are in game central....

The problem was given as both vulnerable at imps. Your -100 doubled is really a -200. And that's if it's just down 1. Likewise when you set them in 1NT it will be 100 or 200, not 50.

As for your last point, if I overcall 1♦ and partner doesn't bid 1NT or possibly 1♥ in the first case, 1NT/2♣/2♦ in the second case, then it's partner who needs to rethink his strategy not me.

[Apollo81]

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Well, personally I would rate

Double 10
1D  8
1NT 5

After all, I have shortage in the suit opened and length in the other three suits, isn't that what a double shows?

I rate 1♦ ahead of double. I'll be better placed after 2♣pp or 3♣pp than I would if I started with a double. The same applies to other auctions as well.

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This is partly a matter of style, but to say 1NT is "obviously" the correct call seems crazy to me.

Yes, especially since we both rate it last out of the three.

[Al_U_Card]

My rating would be

1NT 10
1D 6
DBL 3

Concerning rebids and follow-ups and interference etc. 1NT has way too much going for it. The only plus for 1D is that it saves the 1NT dbl when its their hand...and it gives pard a lead direction.....(also the opps)

[Fluffy]

inquiry, on May 2 2007, 01:35 PM, said:

I disagree with the general premise that (1C)-1D should be bid on 8 hcp. The reason is 1D has no preemptive value and actually makes your opponents bidding easier. So while I look for any excuse to bid (1C)-1S since it steals a few easy bids from them, (1C)-1D does nothing but help them figure out the lay of the cards, and simplifies some of their auctions. So my 1D overcalls are typically sound.

There is also the lead directing point for intervention, I remember dad once overcalled 1♦ with ♦AKQ third. I remember it because that was the hand where I learned why I should raise directly to the 4 level instead of bidding 2, 3 and 4.

[whereagles]

I would bid 1NT all the time. It cannot possibly be wrong to bid your hand in 1 go.

[mike777]

Double but 1D is ok...not 1nt here.

I seem to have an easy pass if partner bids one of a major over my x.

[Al_U_Card]

mike777, on May 2 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

Double but 1D is ok...not 1nt here.

I seem to have an easy pass if partner bids one of a major over my x.

So pard with Jxx KJxx xx Kxxx will bid 1H off the double, but will bid stayman after the 1NT and you will get to the right contract and level.

[mike777]

Al_U_Card, on May 2 2007, 04:09 PM, said:

mike777, on May 2 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

Double but 1D is ok...not 1nt here.

I seem to have an easy pass if partner bids one of a major over my x.

So pard with Jxx KJxx xx Kxxx will bid 1H off the double, but will bid stayman after the 1NT and you will get to the right contract and level.

What will you bid and to what contract or level? What is the range of your 1nt overcall 15-18 is very common. 1nt does not seem to help. Are you saying getting to 3nt is easy here?

[han]

I would bid 1D.

[Al_U_Card]

If the opening had been 1 of a major and I held the same hand with Kx in that major, I would overcall 2D. 1 D is not for me....I like to help my pard and not hide stuff from him.

On this auction, we can play in 2NT with the shown hand.....the option is that 1D on the 5-2 fit will not be superior to the NT and it restricts your options when pard holds a hand with "interest". The declarer play becomes easier with all the high cards being known and mostly well placed.

[marcD]

Definitely a matter of style : with my partners, 1D is constructive and i am not going to miss a game if my partner has some values. I can live with double but partner will expect better majors and will stretch to be bid 2M or even 2C . The only minus of 1D is that it is boring / too obvious. Not sure I need the preemption of 1NT and 3NT will likely play better from my partner's hand

so for me
1D 10
Dbl 7
1NT 5 (who said RHO has clubs anyway ?)