[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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North opens 2♦ in 4th hand:
2♦-2♥
2NT-3♦
3♥ All Pass
2♣ opening would have been a preempt with 6c♣ or 5c♣ and 4cM.
3NT opening would be preempt in a minor.
(Probably not very usefull in 4th hand, but then assume North opened in 3th hand).
Therefor North opened with 2♦. South can show preempt or invite in ♥ by bidding 2♠, but because he knows that N is strong he bids 2♥ to give North some space.
2NT shows 22-24 HCP. North could have bid 3♦ to show a GF in ♦.
3♦ after the 2NT was transfer to ♥ and 3♥ denied a 3 card ♥.
Should we have reached 3NT giving these methods?
(most of the field were in 3NT)

[Free]

You can make 3NT on your own with North's cards... Just open 3NT

[hrothgar]

This might be a silly question, but... Why would you ever willingly play these methods?

There is not reason to use 1001 special preempts in 4th seat. If you have a weak hand, you pass... Its as simple as that.

The 2♣ opening that you describe sounds (suspiciously) like a Precision 2♣ opening. If you are playing a Precision (or some related strong club variant) then you should be opening a strong club with your hand. If you aren't playing Precision, then I'd recommend finding some more useful treatment for this opening.

With this said and done:

North should expect to cash 8 tricks off the top in NT against any lead. A Club or a Spade lead give him 9. Some would argue that North should simply bid game. I won't try to recommend a bidding sequence since you bidding system is so completely alien to me. I will note that that if I were sitting South and my partner showed a balanced hand I'd be very tempted to trot out some kind of garbage Stayman sequence. My hand is worthless in NT. It should take some tricks in Hearts or Spades.

[Free]

hrothgar, on May 1 2007, 04:46 PM, said:

The 2♣ opening that you describe sounds (suspiciously) like a Precision 2♣ opening. If you are playing a Precision (or some related strong club variant) then you should be opening a strong club with your hand. If you aren't playing Precision, then I'd recommend finding some more useful treatment for this opening.

A mini-precision-2♣ opening (around 6-9 with 6+♣ or 5+♣-4M) is popular in some regions in Belgium, but I have no idea why... It's quite a useless preempt imo, and it destroys your strong opening structure.

[cherdano]

In your methods, just open 2♦ and jump to 3N.

[FrancesHinden]

North should ensure he plays in 3NT by whatever means he has at his disposal. If he can't think of anything else, just open 3NT in 4th seat - that shows a good hand.

[jdonn]

South should have bid 3NT, North can only do so much he has just 8.823 tricks, it's south who knows he has an extra key jack that combines with north for a sure trick. All south's fault.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

the only question North has to ask himself is,
does he have enough to force to game or does he
need some help. He answered the question, and
you stopped in hearts.

Its not a matter of method, but a matter of
judgement. The method may or may not lead
to 3NT played from the wrong side, but has nothing
to do with reaching 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Echognome]

jdonn, on May 1 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

South should have bid 3NT, North can only do so much he has just 8.823 tricks, it's south who knows he has an extra key jack that combines with north for a sure trick. All south's fault.

South could have saved the day by making an empathetic splinter. North also clearly missed the boat by not playing the Grabbit 3NT convention.