[Allegro]

I hold and open:

S x
H J
D AKxxx
C AJ98xx

Opps pass

1D 1S
2C 2H
3C 3H
3NT

RHO X for a S lead. I go down 3 (vul.)

Partner left midway thorugh the play. He held:

S QJxxx
H Qxxxx
D Qx
C Q

If I don't bid 3NT, which was unwise, should I bid 3S?

Should P have bid 3D instead of rebidding H?

[inquiry]

If you are going to ask about the auction, perhaps you should show the one you are asking about....

Ben

[Allegro]

But I did....

1D 1S
2C 2H
3C 3H
3NT

[EricK]

IMO Your partner wasn't strong enough to bid 2H, but should have given preference to 2D.

Once he has forced to game and shown both major suits, I see little wrong with your 3NT.

Eric

[inquiry]

Sorry, don't know how I missed the actual auction. I plead huge hang over from New Year's Celebration.

Ok, I like the 1C opening bid, and the major two suited hand has to respond 1H or 1S clearly. Opener has a clear 2C rebid. Now is where the problem comes in. If north had responded 1H, he would have no choice but to take a preference to 2D. After responding 1S, it looks like he might be able to bid 2H, but this should be 4th suit forcing, and with four queens, that is not the call you want to make. So again, 2D seems right, as eric suggest.

Over 2H on your auction, I play that as fourth suit forcing. Unlike Eric, I don't play the none-reverse 4suit at the two level as game force, but after your correct 3C bid, over 3H, you have no choice but to bid 3NT.

Ben

[irg20]

Possible auctions seem to be:

1C 1S
2C p

1D 1S
2C 2D
p

(or if opener's pass is a bit timid then you might consider
1D 1S
2C 2D
3C 3D
p)

Another thing to consider is whether to respond 1H in preference to 1S. As this is a fairly minimum responding hand (i.e. you don't plan to bid above 2 of openers minor) bidding 1H should pick up 5-4 spade fits aswell as 5-3 (or better) heart fits whereas a 1S response will only pick up 5-3 (or better) spade fits when opener is minimum too.

Ian

[Free]

the 2H bid is wrong imo, it's 4th suit (game)forcing. If he wants to show hearts, he should bid 3H right away, but that's too strong either. An alternative is to bid 2S on a 5 cards, but opener should normally pass that with only 1S, so I guess 2D should be the bid.

I do like the 1D opening, so you can tell ur hand properly. My auction:
1D - 1S
2C - 2D
3C - 3D
p

[Trpltrbl]

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the 2H bid is wrong imo, it's 4th suit (game)forcing. If he wants to show hearts, he should bid 3H right away, but that's too strong either. An alternative is to bid 2S on a 5 cards, but opener should normally pass that with only 1S, so I guess 2D should be the bid.

I do like the 1D opening, so you can tell ur hand properly. My auction:
1D - 1S
2C - 2D
3C - 3D
p

Almost agree, I think 2 sp rebid with that hand is only bid. Since 2 H is 100% forcing and almost always GF. And after my pd's 3 Cl rebid now y bid 3 D and to show only 2 of them. Law of symmetry strikes again 8)

Mike ;D

[irdoz]

I've met this problem auction for 4th suit forcing (1d-1s-2c-2h) 3 or 4 times when I've had a weak hand with 5/5 in the majors.

I've done what trptrbl suggests with this sort of hand - rebid spades because 2h would be 4SF. However, twice partner has had a hand shape of 1-3-5-4 and 2h was our best spot.

There's an interesting discussion of 'etm gadget' at http://www.bridgemat....com/gadget.htm

which suggests a method when an auction without interference has gone:

1m-1M-2m or 2om (not a reverse),

then the bid of the next cheapest bid be a relay either for a weak sign off in a major or for game forcing hands. So using this method 1d-1s-2c-2h can be a weak signoff in spades or a GF hand... but it still won't help a lot with this hand.

[mishovnbg]

Hi Allegro!
For such hands many years ago was invented special jump response of 2: 5+-4+, not inv for game. This is same for any jump 2 bid. The example:
1-2
3-3
Pass
Misho

[Trpltrbl]

Yeah, some sort of Flannery. I played something similar to it.
2 showing 5 and 4 and also 2 as 5-5 in majors, both showing about 4-7 HCP, mostly concentrated in both majors. Works well, will start playing it again. Thx to Misho

Mike