[Double !]

Vulnerability is red vs. white
Game format is imp pairs

LHO deals and opens 3♦
CHO doubles
RHO bids 5♦
You bid 5♠
LHO passes
CHO Bids 5NT

How do you interpret the 5NT bid?

as always, TIA

dhl

[mike777]

Double !, on Apr 28 2007, 01:07 AM, said:

Vulnerability is red vs. white
Game format is imp pairs

LHO deals and opens 3♦
CHO  doubles
RHO  bids 5♦
You bid 5♠
LHO passes
CHO  Bids 5NT

How do you interpret the 5NT bid?

as always, TIA

dhl

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[helene_t]

It can only be a grand try for spades. The question is what the difference is between 6♦ and 5NT. Probably one denies first-round diamond control and one promises it.

I think 5NT should promise a first-rounds control. It means basically "diamonds won't be the problem, you can still bid 6♣/♦♥ if you think some other suit might cause a problem, or 6♠ if you simply have minimal general values."

The more space-consuming 6♦ bid should have the more specific meaning of denying first-round diamond control and basically ask you to bid 7 if you have one, maybe offering 6♥ as a sort of last train: "I do have a first-round control but my general values are minimal". I have no idea if that's "standard", though.

[paulg]

If I am playing that 4♣ shows a strong heart-club 2-suiter, then 5NT is definitely grand-slam try in spades.

If not, then I'd play 5NT as showing a strong heart-club 2-suiter (at least initially before partner bids 6♠, then I'll re-evaluate!). Partner could have cue bid with a GSF.

Paul

[mike777]

if we know what partners bid means 100% no problem...these comments silly.

the point is we do not know what partner has.

If you think this auction is standard..very standard..ok...just cite you sources.
Otherwise we are guessing.

[whereagles]

Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts.

But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc...

[drinbrasil]

If 2-suiter hand (medium or stronger) have available bid 4♦ this 5NT bid can be RKC also for ♠ (if you play rkc). Its important agreement situation, in my partneship we have 5NT as rkc in many situations, this one i am not sure yet but will discover today

[Rebound]

My first thought was of Josephine, but I admit a big 2-suiter seems the most likely to me now.

[dake50]

Give me my spade suit. Maybe I don't care what CHO is trying IF my spades are solid: 7S.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Apr 28 2007, 03:01 AM, said:

Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts.

But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc...

Then why did partner double first instead of overcalling 4NT or 5NT?

It is a strong raise of spades inviting 7.

[Fluffy]

5NT is key card blackwood

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Apr 28 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 28 2007, 03:01 AM, said:

Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts.

But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc...

Then why did partner double first instead of overcalling 4NT or 5NT?

It is a strong raise of spades inviting 7.

Because he wasn't sure what slam to play. I'm putting pard on a very good 3=4=1=5.

Hands that want to invite a grand in ♠'s bid 6♦.

[pclayton]

helene_t, on Apr 27 2007, 11:23 PM, said:

It can only be a grand try for spades. The question is what the difference is between 6♦ and 5NT. Probably one denies first-round diamond control and one promises it.

I think 5NT should promise a first-rounds control. It means basically "diamonds won't be the problem, you can still bid 6♣/♦♥ if you think some other suit might cause a problem, or 6♠ if you simply have minimal general values."

The more space-consuming 6♦ bid should have the more specific meaning of denying first-round diamond control and basically ask you to bid 7 if you have one, maybe offering 6♥ as a sort of last train: "I do have a first-round control but my general values are minimal". I have no idea if that's "standard", though.

I think its possible to invite in spades via 5N without a diamond control by starting with 5N, and then pulling 6 rounded to 6♠.

[jdonn]

You bid 5♠ and he is looking for another trump suit with 3415? Lol

Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control. In fact it may well be a strong 3415 just like you say, but he isn't looking for another suit, he is coming in spades.

Lol what the heck, I dispute one post and while I'm writing it you post another that agrees. You bastard!

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Apr 28 2007, 08:09 AM, said:

You bid 5♠ and he is looking for another trump suit with 3415? Lol

Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control. In fact it may well be a strong 3415 just like you say, but he isn't looking for another suit, he is coming in spades.

Lol what the heck, I dispute one post and while I'm writing it you post another that agrees. You bastard!

Hehe; I just came up with an alternative meaning for 5N. But I think it should initially be pick a slam.

Bidding 5N and pulling to to 6♠ is akin to:

(3♠) - double - (4♠) - 4N
(pass) - 5 minor - (pass) - 5♥..

Which cancels the original meaning of 4N and shows an invite to 6♥ with a strong hand.

[Fluffy]

jdonn, on Apr 28 2007, 04:09 PM, said:

Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control.

More important to have all controls than all aces to play 7, I understand