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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2007-April-26, 19:00

Scoring: IMP

1-(P)-1-(2)
2-(P)-?

This post has been edited by MickyB: 2007-April-26, 19:05

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Posted 2007-April-26, 19:02

MickyB, on Apr 26 2007, 08:00 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1-(P)-1-(2)
2-(P)-?

3H

Imps..never downgrade :)
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Posted 2007-April-26, 19:14

Clear 3 bid, I agree with Mike for a change hehe. It would be close even without the club queen at all, partner's free 2 does have a (slightly) higher range than if not bid freely. And it can still have value, for example when you win the club lead with the ace, west can't attack clubs later in the hand without setting up the queen.

In brief, I won't get talked out of my normal bid.
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Posted 2007-April-26, 19:37

I'd pass, I don't see why filtering in new information which makes my "normal bid" less likely to suceed is "being talked out of it."
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Posted 2007-April-26, 23:08

Pass

I agree with Justin here. Partner will stretch to bid game on a lot of marginal hands and we know where is the king of clubs. Seems 3NT is more likely to make then 4H, but we can not bid NT with those diamonds.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 00:49

Hi,

2NT, which is certainly at least as good as
3H, you show the club stopper (he could be
a lot worse) and you show you 2 card support.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-April-27, 01:40

I pass, but I play very light 1 openings with 6 cards.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 05:57

Passing is too pessimistic at imps. I'd try 3, as I would even without the Q.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 06:53

2NT.
maybe i am wrong, but how we can pass with 10hcp in 2nd round without a bigg misfit and not value cards (like Qj alone, or stiff K). Also i have 2 aces wich means more than normal 8 poitns counted. Looks 2NT is easy bid here, 2 small hearts are possible with this bid and i show club stopper and not bad hand (6-8). Partner will know i have spades and clubs and can decide between pass,3NT, 3H or 4H.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 10:16

3. Playing more solid weak two bids than most people, this isn't close to me.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 11:42

Pass is probably right, but if I am desperate for a swing, I'd try 2N.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 12:18

pclayton, on Apr 27 2007, 12:42 PM, said:

Pass is probably right, but if I am desperate for a swing, I'd try 2N.

Actually I think pass is the swinging action, in the hopes that your teammates didn't overcall 2 at the other table in which case this hand would raise.

Well I should edit and say 2NT is also swinging of course, but that I mean pass is the safer swinging action, since on a bad day notrump can go really wrong. Of course it could strike gold too on the perfect layout.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 14:22

Before I read the posts I would have passed not 3H, there are no ten tricks on this auction.

After the posts, I am with the 2NT.
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Posted 2007-April-27, 14:24

Halo, on Apr 27 2007, 03:22 PM, said:

Before I read the posts I would have passed not 3H, there are no ten tricks on this auction.

After the posts, I am with the 2NT.

Can we not bid or try for a game that requires a defensive error sometimes at imps?

I just know JLall or Jdonn have bid to some game at imps sometime that does not make on double dummy defense or bid game in a major when there were less than 10 tricks on proper defense. :)
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Posted 2007-April-27, 15:04

mike777, on Apr 27 2007, 03:24 PM, said:

Halo, on Apr 27 2007, 03:22 PM, said:

Before I read the posts I would have passed not 3H, there are no ten tricks on this auction.

After the posts, I am with the 2NT.

Can we not bid or try for a game that requires a defensive error sometimes at imps?

I just know JLall or Jdonn have bid to some game at imps sometime that does not make on double dummy defense or bid game in a major when there were less than 10 tricks on proper defense. :)

Very close decision. I would have no serious objection to a partner who bid 3H and went off in four...So long as he bids all the sub-prime games.

I don't see ignoring the auction as a good thing.

I just failed to consider the merits of 2NT until I read the arguments.
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Posted 2007-April-30, 12:16

I think red I would still invite, but I'm gonna agree with Justin and pass.
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Posted 2007-April-30, 12:28

Scoring: IMP

I passed. Much of the field was in 4X making, and that was the result at the other table. Maybe our opponents would have found the defence to beat it!

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