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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-April-24, 19:17

Here's one of the fun hands from last night. I'm South.


Scoring: MP

(P) 1♣ (2♠) 3♦
(4♠) ?



Whats is your bid now? I'll post the rest of the hand later.
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Posted 2007-April-24, 20:32

I guess in theory 4N should be blackwood and pass then 4N should be minors?

But I'm sure all of my partners would think I meant 4N as minors. I guess I would pass and pull a X to 5D.
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Posted 2007-April-24, 23:40

Partner forced with 3♦ and I have four-card support I will raise his diamonds.

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Posted 2007-April-24, 23:49

Cascade, on Apr 24 2007, 11:40 PM, said:

Partner forced with 3♦ and I have four-card support I will raise his diamonds.

5♦

Of course we want to raise diamonds, but the problem is how much of a slam try to make. xxx xxx AQxxx Ax is enough to for an pretty good slam, and this is a (sub?)minimum for 3♦. I would pass and bid 5♦.
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Posted 2007-April-24, 23:50

I have a clear raise yet nothing extra. Just because slam might make is no reason to go nuts on a minimum, I am already showing good offense by raising to the 5 level.

Easy 5♦.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 01:06

If pd will understand pass as forcing (it clearly is) I would pass and pull too.
If I am not sure about this, I would gamble6 Diamond, because he surely won´t understand 5 Diamond or 4 NT either.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 03:30

Without agreements, 5♦ for me.

Playing "pass + pull dbl = slam try", I'd try that <_<
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Posted 2007-April-25, 03:34

5D. Don't have stars in my eyes. This is an ordinary hand.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 05:58

Hi,

5D.

The only thing speaking against it,
is the scoring method.

You can of course force to slam, but
you have a min opener, although a
nice one for diamonds.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Making a forcing pass seems better
than a direct raise, but I would bid 5D
in a heart beat, so ... awaiting the post
mortem.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 06:33

why do you need to show both minors when partner has shown his own one?, I would bid 4NT

I don't think a hand that makes grand opposite a minimum is an ordinary one.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 06:38

if pass and then 5♦ is invite to slam, perfect.
If 4N is blackwood, good also. Bad for 6♦ is partner with A of ♠ + A of ♦ and 2 small clubs...but still will have 50% guess...not abad 6 for most of hands my partner have bid 3♦...(maybe my partner is more conservative than yours...)
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Posted 2007-April-25, 07:53

Here's the full hand, I bid 5♦, my partner was the one to take the plunge. :P

Scoring: MP

(P) 1♣ (2♠) 3♦
(4♠) 5♦ (5♠) 6♦


6♦*-2
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Posted 2007-April-25, 08:47

why your partner just not use negative double after 2♠?
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Posted 2007-April-25, 09:32

drinbrasil, on Apr 25 2007, 09:47 AM, said:

why your partner just not use negative double after 2♠?

because he is to weak to make
a neg. X, ... he is also to weak to
bid 3D.

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Posted 2007-April-25, 09:34

jillybean2, on Apr 25 2007, 08:53 AM, said:

Here's the full hand, I bid 5♦, my partner was the one to take the plunge.  :P

Dealer: East
Vul: E/W
Scoring: MP
♠ KJ
♥ 9xxxx
♦ J98762
♣  
♠ AQxx
♥ KQTx
♦ Ax
♣ xxx
♠ Txxxxx
♥ Jx
♦ Q
♣ AQTx
♠ x
♥ Ax
♦ KTxx
♣ KJxxxx
(P) 1♣ (2♠) 3♦
(4♠) 5♦ (5♠) 6♦


6♦*-2

Hi,

Since I doubt, that your partner did bid 6D
with the intention of making:

Your partner should pass, he has a nearly
certain trump trick and partner opened,
i.e. he knows that your side does have a fair
chance to defeat the contract, he may even
double, to prevent partner from bidding 6D.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2007-April-25, 09:40

P_Marlowe, on Apr 25 2007, 03:32 PM, said:

drinbrasil, on Apr 25 2007, 09:47 AM, said:

why your partner just not use negative double after 2♠?

because he is to weak to make
a neg. X, ... he is also to weak to
bid 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

if he wants make any action with a 6-5 hand in unbid suits looks fair better X than 3♦... :P
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Posted 2007-April-25, 12:10

Your pard must be the so-called "bratislavensis madman"
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Posted 2007-April-25, 12:50

What am I missing here?

V 4♠= 620 or +1 650
NV 6♦*-2 = 300
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Posted 2007-April-25, 12:53

jillybean2, on Apr 25 2007, 01:53 PM, said:

Here's the full hand, I bid 5♦, my partner was the one to take the plunge.  :)

Dealer: East
Vul: E/W
Scoring: MP
♠ KJ
♥ 9xxxx
♦ J98762
♣  
♠ AQxx
♥ KQTx
♦ Ax
♣ xxx
♠ Txxxxx
♥ Jx
♦ Q
♣ AQTx
♠ x
♥ Ax
♦ KTxx
♣ KJxxxx
(P) 1♣ (2♠) 3♦
(4♠) 5♦ (5♠) 6♦


6♦*-2

seems something wrong here, 2♠ with 4 cards?
but you missing 5♠ is -1 maybe?
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Posted 2007-April-25, 13:57

drinbrasil, on Apr 25 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

seems something wrong here, 2♠ with 4 cards?
but you missing 5♠ is -1 maybe?

This was the rookie/master game, rookies sitting S&W :)
Looks to me like 2 losers ♠ and a ♥ in 5♠ , maybe I'm wrong.
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