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Poll: Your first (and possible second) choice of calls (35 member(s) have cast votes)

Your first (and possible second) choice of calls

  1. Pass 3NT (3 votes [8.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.57%

  2. Double 3NT and Pass 4C (11 votes [31.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.43%

  3. Double 3NT and Double 4C (5 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. Double 3NT and Bid (4H or 4S) (7 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  5. Bid 4H (7 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  6. Bid 4S (2 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  7. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2007-February-20, 03:11

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3♣ 3♥ 3NT ?


What do you do over 3NT?

If you double, the auction might continue with two passes round to RHO, who might bid 4C (he might not, but it pays to be prepared).

What do you plan to do over 4C by RHO?

And, optional extra, if you doubled what would you plan to do over 5C for RHO

And, second optional extra, if you double and it ends the auction, what are you going to lead?
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Posted 2007-February-20, 05:40

I'm going to double and keep on doubling, leading a heart against all contracts.

Perhaps 4♣ over 3NT should show spades with heart tolerance, but I'd be afraid that partner may not read this although I think it would be the best bid.

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Posted 2007-February-20, 05:44

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2007, 11:40 AM, said:

Perhaps 4♣ over 3NT should show spades with heart tolerance, but I'd be afraid that partner may not read this although I think it would be the best bid.

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Partner will read 4♣ over 3NT as a good 4♥ bid with slam interest (not wanting to double and then hear 5♣ on its right next round before showing heart support).
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Posted 2007-February-20, 06:06

There's a high chance they have 7 club tricks (looking at our club holding), so if RHO has bid 3NT to make (as opposed to having a joke), 3NT rates to either be cold or one off (possibly depending on what we lead).
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Posted 2007-February-20, 08:25

This is a very difficult one.

I voted double (and lead a small spade), then pass.

Not sure if my pass is forcing, but I'm not sure if I would like it to be, either. It probably is non-forcing.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 08:43

3NT should have stopper in all side suits including ♥ and 3♣ could mean 6-8 ♣ tricks. So the best we might get is down 1. On the our side I think that 4♥ should not be more than down 2, considering my holding and that partners 3♥ should be constructive or better.

So i try 4♥, because i think that 3NT is more likely to make than to go down, and we are closer to making 4M than to bring down 3NT.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 10:14

I voted for double and pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-February-20, 12:59

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What do you do over 3NT?

X.

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If you double, the auction might continue with two passes round to RHO, who might bid 4C (he might not, but it pays to be prepared).

What do you plan to do over 4C by RHO?

I bid 4♠.

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And, optional extra, if you doubled what would you plan to do over 5C for RHO

X.

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And, second optional extra, if you double and it ends the auction, what are you going to lead?

Against 3NTX, I lead a spade.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 13:00

Pass, low spade.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 13:09

I'll double and pass 4♣. Make my spades a little better, and I'll pull to 4♠. Give me Hx of hearts, and I'll try 4♥. The pass gives me a little flexibility.

If pard doubles 4♣, I'm not ecstatic about it, but I'll pass I think.

The most interesting continuation is when pard pulls to 4♦, but I think I'm bidding 4♠.

I'll lead the ♠A against 3N.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 15:22

double and pass for me as well.
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Posted 2007-February-21, 23:57

I would double, then double 4♣, though I would be feeling very uneasy about the whole thing. No one has said that the opponents know what they're doing. On the other hand, it wouldn't be a great surprise if 4♣ were making, or if 4♠ were on our way.
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Posted 2007-February-22, 04:16

Double and lead a spade, leading Diamond Ace looks interesting since it can hardly cost a trick, just that I don't know if I can get any useful info leading it.

I'll pass 4 clubs
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Posted 2007-April-14, 09:03

Maybe "Bid 4S".....
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Posted 2007-April-14, 09:14

What is Partner expected to have with his 3♥ bid?
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Posted 2007-April-16, 07:12

Great problem. I double and pass.
When I am on lead against 3 NT declarer is surely very good prepared for a Heart lead, maybe he has something like xx, AQx, xxxxx,Axx so I better try something else. I will pay the next round(s) at the bar when the low spade lead fails.

When they bid on, I pass. It would be nice to show a hand with XX in HEart and Axxxxx in spade, but I have no tool avaiable for this.
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Posted 2007-April-16, 16:56

I'm with the doublers and passers (of 4♣), but I wonder if I and any others are influenced by the apparent wire we have on the board: the same problem that sometimes bedevils the BW MSC Problem D format, where we are told of developments after our first call. This is not a criticism of the problem, nor of the Problem D format... some problems cannot logically be presented otherwise, unless as a series of problems, which raises its own difficulties.

This is an easy position for RHO to be working us over, so we have to double 3N, else he owns us for life... whether he has a real gamble to make 3N on a ♥ lead or whether he has a piece of frommage... my hand is such that he could have either, depending on LHO's hand and whether partner is maximum.

Having doubled, I have expressed my approximate strength and my next pass tells partner that I wasn't doubling on ♥ support nor on a long, near-solid suit of my own (which I would bid now if I held it).

He should double with a flat hand and defence, and bid 4♥ with 6 good hearts.

The real question for me is: is my pass forcing? I think it has to be. If it isn't then I should have passed 3N.

As for the optional questions, I will double 5♣... I cannot see us making slam on this auction.... since partner didn't double 3♣ and didn't jump to 4♥.... I suppose I can construct hands on which we are better off bidding, but what was I bidding over an immediate 5♣? I assume I was doubling... so how can i do differently now?
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