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Balance with this hand?

Poll: What's your balancing call? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your balancing call?

  1. Pass (9 votes [32.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.14%

  2. Double, then pass if partner bids 2H (11 votes [39.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.29%

  3. Double, then correct 2H from partner to 2S (5 votes [17.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  4. 2D (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  5. 2S (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  6. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2007-April-08, 02:16

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You open 1♦ and LHO overcalls 2♣. This is passed back to you. What's your plan?
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Posted 2007-April-08, 02:41

Pass. By far not good enough to bid 2S - see another analogous post. If you X and partner bids 2H what are you goung to do? Now 2S overstates the strength of the hand and if pd gives preference to 3D you are in deep poo.
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Posted 2007-April-08, 03:12

Pass. Double if opps play Dutch overcalls, though :)
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Posted 2007-April-08, 04:03

Pass wtp ;)
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Posted 2007-April-08, 04:08

hum... dbl and convert 2♥ to 2♠.
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Posted 2007-April-08, 04:26

Pass. Pd's failure to make a negative double is instructive.

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Posted 2007-April-08, 04:32

whereagles, on Apr 8 2007, 03:08 AM, said:

hum... dbl and convert 2♥ to 2♠.

Shouldn't this show more like 16+ ?
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Posted 2007-April-08, 05:27

Pass, wtp.
If partner's got a penalty pass (unlikely), we won't be defending 2♣ anyway - RHO will remove to 2♥. If partner has a penalty double and opening strenght, he'll not gamble on me being able to reopen.
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Posted 2007-April-08, 07:47

Can 2♦ be wrong?
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Posted 2007-April-08, 08:46

X

by agreement, I have to reopen,
which means pass is no option.
I will pass partners answer.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-April-08, 08:48

skaeran, on Apr 8 2007, 06:27 AM, said:

Pass, wtp.
If partner's got a penalty pass (unlikely), we won't be defending 2♣ anyway - RHO will remove to 2♥. If partner has a penalty double and opening strenght, he'll not gamble on me being able to reopen.

what has gambling to do with it?
If your partner expects you to reopen
in case you are short, and you dont do
it, you are gambling not partner.

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Posted 2007-April-08, 08:51

zasanya, on Apr 8 2007, 08:47 AM, said:

Can 2♦ be wrong?

not always, but 2D has only one way to
win, i.e. diamonds is best for your side,
but you may have a penalty for your side,
a 5-2 fit in hearts and a 4-4 fit in spades,
... and partner can still bid 2D in case he
holds 3 cards.

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Posted 2007-April-08, 14:57

P_Marlowe, on Apr 8 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

X

by agreement, I have to reopen,
which means pass is no option.
I will pass partners answer.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Same here.
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Posted 2007-April-08, 15:02

temp3600, on Apr 8 2007, 03:57 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 8 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

X

by agreement, I have to reopen,
which means pass is no option.
I will pass partners answer.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Same here.

ditto.

Ready to play in the 4-2 heart fit if no double by opp.
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Posted 2007-April-08, 15:37

Double, then pass, even if we will be in a 4-2 ♥ fit. That's life, we don't get perfect hands all the time
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Posted 2007-April-08, 16:45

mike777, on Apr 9 2007, 04:02 AM, said:

temp3600, on Apr 8 2007, 03:57 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 8 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

X

by agreement, I have to reopen,
which means pass is no option.
I will pass partners answer.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Same here.

ditto.

Ready to play in the 4-2 heart fit if no double by opp.

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Posted 2007-April-09, 10:00

jillybean2, on Apr 8 2007, 10:32 AM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 8 2007, 03:08 AM, said:

hum... dbl and convert 2♥ to 2♠.

Shouldn't this show more like 16+ ?

By the book, maybe yes. In practice I find that too unflexible. Dbl + 2♠ should show just about this hand, while a direct 2♠ would be more like those 16+.

If you can't live with dbl + 2♠ I suppose you have to pass or bid 2♦ :blink:
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Posted 2007-April-09, 12:50

I posted an almost identical hand about a month ago. I thought doubling and converting 2♥ to 2♠ could show this hand type, but that's an unusual interpretation.
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