[gwnn]

Scoring: BAM

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p-1♣*-3♥-all pass

1♣ was 15+unbal/16+bal

Please assign the blame for the suboptimal final contract (new suits by S are F1). Feel free to introduce your system vs interference here, but if at all possible, keep those remarks in a separate paragraph.

Thank you for your help.

ps: if it helps, all 4 players on the other table are playing standard. @ this vulnerability your teammates are pretty agressive WJO'ers.

[pbleighton]

I would double as North, as imperfect as that call is. If you really need to pass, stop playing a strong club system, because the opps will eat you alive.

3S by South is pushy but OK.

Most of the blame to North.

Peter

[Flame]

Im reading Davidc blog about bidding thory and its great, one of the things he mention there is that hands with about 20 hcp should always be able to bid twice so according to this north has a second bid. I would probebly bid with south too because of the ♥ shortage. So for me its 100% blame for North and about 75% for south.

[han]

I would have bid 3S with the south hand (or 4S if that shows this hand). I'm a king light but I have a 6-card suit and heart shortness. I'd likely bid game opposite a 16-18 balanced hand.

North has an easy 3NT call after south's pass.

[jdonn]

I think north could bid 3NT when it came back, but it's close and I don't fault a pass. KQ doubleton is not 5 points and his long suit is weak.

I really feel it's souths responsibility to overbid with 3♠ in competition with this hand. He is the one who is short in the opponents' suit, and it feels a lot better to occasionally get too high than it does to never bid at all and find you have game.

[cherdano]

I don't understand. Why is 3S an overbid? If partner would open a balanced 17-19, we would definitely bid 4S. So we are overbidding by at most a point, but we have the upside that partner is unlikely to have much wastage opposite our shortness. If partner is unbalanced, we are also pretty much guaranteed a fit.

Of course North can bid again, but steal an ace from him and game is still good.

[effervesce]

For me, 4S is a clearcut bid by south. 3S in our moscito system would be game forcing, 4S just to play. N also has a good hand enough hand to bid again.

Systematically:

1C - (X or 1D) can be handled easily in any inteference system
1C - (1H/S/1NT/2C): step = takeout of the suit; if no anchor suit for overcall then natural GF; 2NT shows minors, cue = michaels, X = GF balanced/4441 (not singleton in their suit). Jump in suit bids NNF.
1C - (2D+): any action game forcing-X = t/o

[Free]

Imo the methods you use are the main problem. If south can't bid competitive, you're screwed. North can't double apparently, so you're screwed again. I'd change my methods if a simple 3♥ overcall gets you out of the auction!

With my partner we use the following rule: if they intervene at 2-level or higher, opener substracts 7hcp and responder adds 7hcp to his hand (virtual points obviously), and we bid like there was no 1♣ opening. This means South now has a hand worth 13hcp with a 6 card ♠ so he would probably overcall 3♠ after a 3♥ opening.

So the auction would go:
1♣ - 3♥ - 3♠ - pass
4♠ - pass - pass - pass

Unless opener thinks he's worth a 4♥ bid...

[mhais]

i will bid 3s showing 8+ 5 cards & leave to pd 3hx pd might take as penalty & pass which i dont want.

[helene_t]

My first thought was to double with the South hand but 3♠ is probably better. I don't blame North for passing.

[FrancesHinden]

South has to bid 3S.

[whereagles]

and north has to bid 3NT

[skjaeran]

I don't think it's correct to pass with any of those two hands. So both is to blame. Since north's decision is the decisive one, I'll apportion 55% to him/her.

South should have bid 3♠, which north would raise (via 4♥ probably) and north should have balanced, probably with 3NT, but double is also possible.

[ulven]

As always, opinions differ.

For me, I have a strong dislike for stretching to make positive replies after strong 1C interference. I put the burden on the strong hand to act again. This approach is by agreement.

So, I'd pass the South hand, re-open with 3NT with the North hand and then remove with 4S.

[Edmunte1]

South should have bid 3♠. He has the 6-4 shape and heart shortage. And i don't even consider this an overbid. North is in trouble now, but this a systemic matter, playing strong club when opponents preempt you can have a harsh time. He has a pretty bad hand with a poor ♣ suit, too many hearts, no 4 spades, and only doubleton in diamonds. Double seems risky, and 3nt tough without a source of tricks. Some bidding theorists consider that you should take out the 2nt hand from strong club, for main reason that you now can pass 17-19 hands and dbl with stronger/distributional hands.

So i consider South 80% guilty, and North 20%, especially due to systemic reasons

[Apollo81]

South gets most of the blame. Looks like inexperience with strong club.

[gwnn]

OK I was South this board. I like Arend's reasoning why 3♠ should be bid.

Convinced as I am that 3♠ looks like a good call, I wonder... Can any of you guys run a little simulation about the chances for a game (basically 4♠ or 5m I guess, I'm not sure one should let 3NT in after 3♠) ie North has 15+/16+ and East has (say) 5-12 hcp with 7 hearts.

[dake50]

Although 3S is clear to me.
This is my partnership's Achilles. Forcing pass at 2-level and 4+level, BUT best guess at 3-level.
Is this strategically correct? What say you experts?
What hand types are eased/ pained by this strategy? ==how to show hands most needed? What is left to wicked measures? a structure please

[dake50]

Half the deck hcp as minimum AND 6 card spades AND H-2nd control can't pass.
4S best guess if no vs. obstruct agreements.
Play xfers in comp: 4H -> spades, then cue 5C(also H-control, else pass 4S). Here partner insists slam/grand try.

[ulven]

Apollo81, on Apr 4 2007, 02:58 PM, said:

South gets most of the blame.  Looks like inexperience with strong club.

Yes, that's why I'd pass with the South hand too...