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Take my pard, PLEASE! Reverse or not???

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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:20

p - p - 1♣ - p
1♥ 2♦ 2♠ p
2NT p 3NT all pass


With a pick-up "expert" pard, even at imps, white vs red, I couldn't imagine his hand on that auction....but the raise to 3NT opposite a passed hand? Please tell me I will wake up soon!?
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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:24

the 3N bid was consistent with the 2♠ bid: obviously he held an additional 2 Aces during the bidding, and was no doubt extremely annoyed when they disappeared on laying down his hand as dummy.... now... if the bridge demons who stole his Aces had given them to you, all would have been well :P
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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:25

It's actually not the 3NT bid that was so bad, it's the 2♠ bid. This is like a reverse and shows a strong hand, and partner was obviously confused about that. You were probably trying to get out with 2NT and he thought you had an 11-count with a diamond stopper.
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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:27

That's BBO Expert Standard bidding.

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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:39

This is why I chuckle when I see tables set to Exp+++ only.
I think the +++ indicates they wont reverse on these hands. :P
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Posted 2007-April-04, 14:39

I suppose it would be quarrelsome to ask him what he believes your proper call is over 2S. I am pretty sure 1N is not allowed.
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Posted 2007-April-04, 15:09

And let me guess, this guy had 20 conventions listed on his profile...

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Posted 2007-April-04, 15:22

I'd probably even refuse to make a support double vs passed partner on this....

Hard to understand what this "expert" thought he was doing, I must say!
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Posted 2007-April-05, 02:54

kenberg, on Apr 4 2007, 10:39 PM, said:

I suppose it would be quarrelsome to ask him what he believes your proper call is over 2S. I am pretty sure 1N is not allowed.

Pass of course, wtp. Aren't you even capable of passing a forcing bid? No expert, obviously.

But you could ask him what you would have to bid with
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Posted 2007-April-05, 03:28

Reminds me of a bidding problem at the German individual championships.

LHO: 2nd league player
RHO: 1st league player
MHO: Female player 3x my age without a clue

White vs red:
1♣ (Dbl) ?

Scoring: MP


Noticing the hopeless situation if partner would declare, you respond 1NT. The auction continues badly for you:

1♣ (Dbl) 1NT (Pass)
2♠ (3♦) ?

You know RHO and at these colours he would have a very good hand for 3♦. Your bid?
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Posted 2007-April-05, 03:51

pbleighton, on Apr 4 2007, 03:27 PM, said:

That's BBO Expert Standard bidding.

Peter

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Posted 2007-April-05, 03:53

jillybean2, on Apr 4 2007, 03:39 PM, said:

This is why I chuckle when I see tables set to Exp+++ only.
I think the +++ indicates they wont reverse on these hands. :P

additionally the +++ means that they share their wellfound bridgeknowledge as a commentator of vuegraphmatches, outch......
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Posted 2007-April-05, 03:56

pass
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Posted 2007-April-05, 05:30

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additionally the +++ means that they share their wellfound bridgeknowledge as a commentator of vuegraphmatches, outch......


Luckily that's not true if the table description is said to EXPERT+++ ONLY!!! The three pluses only count in the personal profile.

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Posted 2007-April-05, 07:50

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2007, 09:28 AM, said:

Reminds me of a bidding problem at the German individual championships.

LHO: 2nd league player
RHO: 1st league player
MHO: Old lady

White vs red:
1♣ (Dbl) ?

Scoring: MP


Noticing the hopeless situation if partner would declare, you respond 1NT. The auction continues badly for you:

1♣ (Dbl) 1NT (Pass)
2♠ (3♦) ?

You know RHO and at these colours he would have a very good hand for 3♦. Your bid?

I am used to be endplayed in the bidding kinda often, there is no answer to this, it is just random and the bame will all go to you whatever you do.
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Posted 2007-April-05, 08:06

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2007, 11:28 AM, said:

Reminds me of a bidding problem at the German individual championships.

LHO: 2nd league player
RHO: 1st league player
MHO: Old lady

White vs red:
1♣ (Dbl) ?

Scoring: MP


Noticing the hopeless situation if partner would declare, you respond 1NT. The auction continues badly for you:

1♣ (Dbl) 1NT (Pass)
2♠ (3♦) ?

You know RHO and at these colours he would have a very good hand for 3♦. Your bid?

What's wrong with an old lady? If you trust you partner you bid 4♠, if you don't (but you do trust RHO) you pass. You could bid 3♠ as a compromise. I must have missed something. To me it doesn't look like a major problem.
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Posted 2007-April-05, 08:19

I don't mind the hijacking of my thread, as long as there is a partner to castigate......but "old lady" is just too pejorative.....try to be a little more PC.. :P
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Posted 2007-April-05, 08:28

Okay, changed to "female player 3 times my age without a clue".

The "problem" is that you have 10 HCP and RHO, the best player at the table, promised 17, leaving only 13 for dear partner.
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Posted 2007-April-05, 08:30

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2007, 07:28 AM, said:

Okay, changed to "female player 3 times my age without a clue".

brilliant :(
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Posted 2007-April-05, 08:45

Perhaps female is not necessary (since she was 3x your age...unless you like raisins.....omg! did I say that?)

btw, is RHO good enough to psyche on a hand that wanted to pre-empt with 8 ♦ and no outside stoppers?

I would always trust my partner and bid accordingly...so I would not try 4♦ but just bid a nice 4♠ ;-)
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