[kgr]

You play MP's and are dealer. Nobody Vuln.
You hold:
Q-KQJTxxx-Axxx-x
You have following possibilities:
1H : 5cards Majors
3D : Transfer preempt to H
4C : Namyats promising 8 tricks by agreement.
4H : preempt

[gwnn]

4♥

[Gerben42]

I agree 100% with Justin.

[whereagles]

Yeah namyats is just what the doctor ordered

[kgr]

Jlall, on Mar 28 2007, 12:26 AM, said:

This would be too light for namyats in my style, but if your agreement is 8 tricks then that seems perfect.

Except that I can only count 7 tricks.

[whereagles]

Counting 2 diam tricks is absolutely statistically viable

[kgr]

OK, I should have opend 4C then. I just didn't want to stretch the namyats too much.
I opened 1H (suppose you did not have 4C Namyats available) :
1H-(DBL)-P-(1S)-?
What do you bid now?

[Codo]

1 ♥ and now 4 ♥ what a perfect describtion of my hand.... too strong for a preempt, too weak for namyats, long hearts, exactly what I have....

[helene_t]

Jlall, on Mar 28 2007, 12:43 AM, said:

If you don't agree with calling this 2 diamond tricks you are essentially counting x KQJTxxx Axxx x as the same hand as xx KQJTxxx Ax xx. I don't really know LTC but I think they would count this hand as 5 losers too (which is like 8 tricks).

You have the following LTs:
♠: 1
♥: 1.5 (1 but adjisted +0.5 for having the queen and not the ace)
♦: 1.5 (2 but adjusted -0.5 for having the ace and not the queen)
♣: 1
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Total: 5
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But I think this hand has a slight positive bias because partner, if short in diamonds, probably can't ruff your diamond loosers (or any of them).

FWIW, I open 4♣ (Namyats). Leufken's law (or Burges's, depending on hemisphere).

[pclayton]

Its a NAMYATS opener for me. A 7-4 plays like an 8 bagger, and I have 8 tricks.

This hand is just way too heavy for a 4♥ opener, especially with 4♣ available.

It seems inconsistent to me to open this 1♥ and bounce to 4♥ if pard can't take a call at round 1.

[inquiry]

This hand is not strong enough for my naymats.. I require 8.5 tricks. I see 8. So an opening 4♣ is out of the question for me.

The next question is, should I preempt? If playing my normal system where an acol 2 bid is available as well as the 4♣ opening, I would open 1♥ planning on rebidding 3♥ showing a hand like this (or perhaps even rebid 4♥. The message will be clear, not enough winners for 4♣ not strong enough for Acol 2 bid (5+ controls), but lots of tricks.

Not playing my normal system, where 1♥ followed by 3 or 4♥ shows a strong hand as opposed to a lot tricks but denies the ability to open with the other bids (acol or 4♣) I would open 4♥ as only real way to bid it without distorting the hand.

[cherdano]

inquiry, on Mar 28 2007, 10:13 AM, said:

Not playing my normal system, where 1♥ followed by 3 or 4♥ shows a strong hand as opposed to a lot tricks but denies the ability to open with the other bids (acol or 4♣) I would open 4♥ as only real way to bid it without distorting the hand.

I don't think 1H-?-4H shows a hand stronger than this in standard. It seems a reasonable way if you want to describe your hand (as opposed to making opponents guess with an immediate 4♥).

[hrothgar]

I'm sure that none of the regular forum posters will be surprised to discover that I am a 4♥ opener.

For what its worth, I don't consider this hand appropriate for a NAMYATS type opening. When I play NAMYATS type methods I want trump tricks and controls, not long Diamonds that I am praying might get established or ruffed. (I also think that you definition for the opening is a bit light)

Once I eliminate 4♣ from the mix, the only real decision is 1♥ or 4♥. (Opening at the three level seems to completely mis describe the hand and lord knows I wouldn't ever want to use a transfer preempt).

I'll (almost) always open a 7-4 pattern with 4M or 5m so its not a hard decision for me.

[kgr]

Thanks for the opinions given.
Bidding at our table was:
1H-(DBL)-P-(1S)
4H-(DBL)-All Pass
Partner hand was somethng like:
AT9xx-xx-xx-xxxx
vs
Q-KQJTxxx-Axxx-x
LHO started with a small spade. Opps are not very strong, so I tried to play S Ace and run s amll D, but LHO returned H ace and a small H.
4Hx-3 for a zero. 4S was going down at the other tables.

[effervesce]

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4Hx-3 for a zero. 4S was going down at the other tables.

Thats why opening 4H at matchpoints is a very good alternative-in matchpoints the FREQUENCY of finding the right spot is king-it matters less on finding slam since that is a lower frequency than preempting the opps out of bidding, and reaching a (looking at your hand) spade or club game.

Bidding 4H directly also has the major benefit of also being less likely to be doubled and passed out for penalties-with you bidding 1H-(X) then 4H-(X) the opponents are more happy to pass out 4HX than if you bid 4H straight off the bat.

[mojila]

4♥ non vul ... They may have game in ♥ or ♣... with law of expectation
I would bid 4♥ also this makes hard for opponant