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To force or not to force? strong 3. hand

Poll: Which bid do you choose? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Which bid do you choose?

  1. 2[HE] (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  2. 2[SP] (17 votes [65.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.38%

  3. 2NT (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. 3[DI] (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  5. 3[HE] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3NT (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  7. 4[DI] (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  8. 5[DI] (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  9. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2007-March-23, 12:28

Scoring: IMP

pass (1♠) DBL (pass)
2♦ (pass) ?


What are your thoughts and hopes?
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Posted 2007-March-23, 12:34

Hmm, that ♥7 is a real bugger. Don't know what to do, now :)
I want to force. I know partner could be flat broke but also he might not raise a game try when it is right. 2♥ is strong but NF for me, and 3♥ overstates the Hearts, so it is down to some number of NT. I went for 3, and hope I don't get a ♣ lead. I expect the majority vote will be 2NT.
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Posted 2007-March-23, 12:35

I would bid 2S. You need pretty much nothing for game.
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Posted 2007-March-23, 12:52

Justin, what do you expect partner to bid after 2♠?
NT is out, he won't bid 3 cards of ♥, so the most likely bid will be 3♣ or 3♦, or? And then? Going for ♥s then? Raise ♦s?
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Posted 2007-March-23, 13:12

Who knows what's right, so I bid 5D.

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Posted 2007-March-23, 13:25

42, on Mar 23 2007, 01:52 PM, said:

Justin, what do you expect partner to bid after 2♠?
NT is out, he won't bid 3 cards of ♥, so the most likely bid will be 3♣ or 3♦, or? And then? Going for ♥s then? Raise ♦s?

He can bid whatever, I will probably end up in 5D but we might end up in hearts.
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Posted 2007-March-23, 13:34

1eyedjack, on Mar 23 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

Hmm, that ♥7 is a real bugger. Don't know what to do, now :)

Why is 7♥ significant?
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Posted 2007-March-23, 13:41

42, on Mar 23 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

pass (1♠) DBL (pass)
2♦ (pass) ?


What are your thoughts and hopes?

2s no problem yet.

I may very well miss slam here, as usual after rho opens at one level in second seat. If partner opens on junk in first seat even more likely to miss slam.

If I x and then cue and then bid a new suit at 3 level, I think this shows more than a minumum hand. :)
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Posted 2007-March-23, 14:20

I am bidding game for sure, question is wich one.

2♥ is not forcing and 2♠-3♦-3♥ will get probably above 3NT.

I think a practical 3NT is in order.
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Posted 2007-March-23, 18:05

There is no need to rush to game. So 2 Spade is it. If Pd will bid something strong like a jump or 3 Spade, I am in Slam within nanoseconds.
Of course more likely he will bid something weak. If this bid is 3 Club, I will show my support with 3 Diamond. If he bids 3 Diamonds himself I would bid 3 NT and hope that he gets the message.
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Posted 2007-March-24, 06:54

Scoring: IMP


Lead: ♠8.

After a long thought I chickenlike decided to bid 2♥ (my second choice would have been 2♠, third choice 3NT) which became the final contract. Due to a bad defence I made the contract :lol: The ♦K was a singleton and therefore the slam in ♦ was cold, also immediately analyzed by opps.
I knew that my bid was nonforcing, but with such a weak 6card ♦-suit I would have been bidding 3♦ with the N hand because it is completely worthless in a ♥-contract, imo. Hit me, please ;)

Would anyone bid the ♦-slam?? I think it isn't biddable, but who am I?


@Jillybean: I only mentioned the ♥7 to underline the bad quality of the ♥-suit.
And I like 7s, not as much as 42s, but still... Best is ♦7 and to make the last trick with it for a beer or 2 :) :-*
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Posted 2007-March-24, 07:03

Do you still get a beer if the Diamond 7 is in the trump suit?
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Posted 2007-March-24, 10:46

2S then if partner repeats 3D, Bw then 5NT to show all A and suggest DKxxxxx to grand.
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Posted 2007-March-24, 11:13

dake50, on Mar 24 2007, 05:46 PM, said:

2S then if partner repeats 3D, Bw then 5NT to show all A and suggest DKxxxxx to grand.

So you want to force to slam vs Txxx xx Txxxx Qx?
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Posted 2007-March-24, 14:54

So far not much problem - 2S. The harder part comes after this. A good area to have discussed before it comes up.
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Posted 2007-March-24, 18:35

1eyedjack, on Mar 24 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

Do you still get a beer if the Diamond 7 is in the trump suit?

In Australia you do B)

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Posted 2007-March-25, 00:18

B) i think 2h is forcing for 1 round i nave dbld first & now bidding my suit inviting pd 2 describe hand further.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 04:10

OT: Making the last trick with ♦7 in the trump suit is worth 2 beers B)

Back to this hand:
I wonder which contract would be reached when it could be opened in first seat.
Does anyone open 2♣??
I think I would open 2NT, but then it is not clear how the bidding proceeds, since 3♣ ist (puppet-)stayman. Will partner bid game with his 6th ♦J?

Yes, Winston, I saw also that we will have some problems after 2♠ where the strong hand is still undescribed according to distribution. But it seems that I am very lonely with my pessimistic view... And as the cards lie, the optimists are right :)
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Posted 2007-March-25, 04:11

just deleted the double posting...

This post has been edited by 42: 2007-March-25, 10:11

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Posted 2007-March-25, 08:29

Hi,

I voted for 4D, but anything could be right,
the main problem with 2S is, that partner wont
have a sensible bid, which just leaves me guessing
the next round.

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